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I once watched an employee get hired for a full time position, but during their post-onboarding initiation, they said that they were disabled and could only wor

I once watched an employee get hired for a full time position, but during their post-onboarding initiation, they said that they were disabled and could only work part-time. And this was in addition to being one of the most obnoxious people I ever met in the workplace. Not sure what legal hoops had to be jumped through, but inside of two weeks we had legitimate grounds for termination without fear of retribution. Their bait-and-switch employment plan failed. And in case anybody is wondering: I'm leaving a LOT of this story out on purpose.

Aeolun 4y ago
Do you need a lot of legal hoops when your employee has just been straight up lying to you about their disability?
- efitz 4y ago
  Yea
- BeetleB 4y ago
  Generally, disclosing disabilities when applying is voluntary. So the only problem is if they up front said they didn't have a disability. It is neither unethical nor illegal not to mention it during the application process.
  - Friederbasten 4y ago
    It absolutely is unethical if it affects your ability to fulfil the agreed terms to that extent. Would it not be unethical for the employer to advise you on your first day that, actually, the company is struggling and can only pay you 60% of the agreed wage?
- dogma1138 4y ago
  In most places yes, you aren’t allowed to even ask these questions during an interview since it can introduce a bias. There is a major risk to employers pretty much any western country when it comes to these sort of discrimination claims.
  - danielrpa 4y ago
    You can't ask about disabilities, but you can ask about whether the applicant can fulfill certain expectations that could eliminate candidates with certain disabilities. For instance, "This job requires you to be onsite for 9AM to 6PM every day, are you able to do that?" or "This job requires you to operate heavy machinery and lift 50lbs multiple times per day, are you able to do that?"
    - dogma1138 4y ago
      That’s true but it’s also easier for certain jobs than others. Also depending on the jurisdiction and circumstances they might say that they honestly believed that they would be capable of it but realized that they aren’t and you might be obligated to accommodate them to a certain degree.
yamazakiwi 4y ago
Is it a weird that a person in my past came to mind immediately. Improbable but I still wonder if it's the same person.
- geocrasher 4y ago
  Not really weird, no, and I strongly doubt it's the same person. I'm sure there are whole tribes/communities/families of them.
ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
I would have thought that the issue would come up when the employment contract was discussed/introduced/signed, as they often have expected hours of work. If they signed the contract in bad faith, then I'd expect the company to get rid of them as soon as possible.
- D13Fd 4y ago
  In the US, most employees are at-will and work without that kind of employment contract.
GaryNumanVevo 4y ago
This really begs the question, how terrible is the hiring process at that company? Like are they just giving anyone a job?

Aeolun 4y ago

Do you need a lot of legal hoops when your employee has just been straight up lying to you about their disability?

efitz 4y ago
Yea
BeetleB 4y ago
Generally, disclosing disabilities when applying is voluntary. So the only problem is if they up front said they didn't have a disability. It is neither unethical nor illegal not to mention it during the application process.
- Friederbasten 4y ago
  It absolutely is unethical if it affects your ability to fulfil the agreed terms to that extent. Would it not be unethical for the employer to advise you on your first day that, actually, the company is struggling and can only pay you 60% of the agreed wage?
dogma1138 4y ago
In most places yes, you aren’t allowed to even ask these questions during an interview since it can introduce a bias. There is a major risk to employers pretty much any western country when it comes to these sort of discrimination claims.
- danielrpa 4y ago
  You can't ask about disabilities, but you can ask about whether the applicant can fulfill certain expectations that could eliminate candidates with certain disabilities. For instance, "This job requires you to be onsite for 9AM to 6PM every day, are you able to do that?" or "This job requires you to operate heavy machinery and lift 50lbs multiple times per day, are you able to do that?"
  - dogma1138 4y ago
    That’s true but it’s also easier for certain jobs than others. Also depending on the jurisdiction and circumstances they might say that they honestly believed that they would be capable of it but realized that they aren’t and you might be obligated to accommodate them to a certain degree.

yamazakiwi 4y ago

Is it a weird that a person in my past came to mind immediately. Improbable but I still wonder if it's the same person.

geocrasher 4y ago
Not really weird, no, and I strongly doubt it's the same person. I'm sure there are whole tribes/communities/families of them.

ndsipa_pomu 4y ago

I would have thought that the issue would come up when the employment contract was discussed/introduced/signed, as they often have expected hours of work. If they signed the contract in bad faith, then I'd expect the company to get rid of them as soon as possible.

D13Fd 4y ago
In the US, most employees are at-will and work without that kind of employment contract.

GaryNumanVevo 4y ago

This really begs the question, how terrible is the hiring process at that company? Like are they just giving anyone a job?