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I don't get some coders/devs/software engineers surprised that LLM can now pretty much create a whole code out of a prompt. Wasn't this the final objective of

I don't get some coders/devs/software engineers surprised that LLM can now pretty much create a whole code out of a prompt. Wasn't this the final objective of the programming languages abstraction evolution? From Binary/Assembly to Natural Language Programming? I think it is awesome that more people will be able to create software/products as this accelerates innovation cycles a lot. And, for now, I believe devs that don't rely solely on copy/paste coding from stack exchange don't need to worry about their job stability no?

gradys 4y ago
Indeed, as I write, this is sorta what I have been working toward my whole career. And it's not like this was a giant leap from what ChatGPT already showed it was capable of. People have already been doing stuff like this with LangChain. Nonetheless, seeing that this was OpenAI's plan, that this is now here for real, was a weird experience for me.
Riverheart 4y ago
Job stability is measured in years. Looking forward, assuming it improves, it’ll do more than just copy/paste code. It’ll be a senior dev capable of explaining the pros and cons of a solution, able to do code reviews and so on.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  It's time to build a business I guess? Others have said exactly what I'm thinking, welcome to the age of the micro-startup, 1-3 engineers, designers, product mangers building some very cool, albeit niche products.
  - margorczynski 4y ago
    And what that business will be worth when any random guy can create an identical one using a LLM? You remove the scarcity and the value plummets.
    - imtringued 4y ago
      More importantly, accountants, lawyers, sales people and other generic business expenses are now making up a bigger portion of your company expenses than the development process.
    - edgyquant 4y ago
      Any random guy can copy just about any startup already. It’s the domain expertise and insight into a potential market that builds companies not a few engineers throwing together a react app
      - margorczynski 4y ago
        Any random guy with a shitload of cash to spend on development. These "few engineers" can cost $1kk annually and if you think some random guy can just throw away such cash then well... "Domain expertise and insight into a potential market" won't get you a working product that you can sell.
        edgyquant 4y ago
        Anyone driven can throw together an MVP for a CRUD app. Having the domain expertise to prove a market edge can get you funding. Most engineers can’t do that second part.
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meghan_rain 4y ago
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- IdiocyInAction 4y ago
  I've copied like 3 things from SO in the last year max. Speak for yourself.
- inimino 4y ago
  Or maybe that's just at the places you've worked.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  No it isn’t and this isn’t a funny joke. If you can’t write optimal algorithms and come up with data structures that allow for mapping out problems you aren’t solving anything and your job has always been one innovation away from disappearing.
  - dento 4y ago
    I'd guess 90% dev jobs don't involve any algo knowledge more complicated than "should I pick a list or hashmap" or "which columns need indices". They involve converting business logic into code and combining it with good UI/UX.
- tjr 4y ago
  I have certainly gotten value out of Stack Exchange and the like, but pretty little overall. The answers to most of my software problems simply aren't there. Nor are they elsewhere on the web. Which leaves me feeling like it's unlikely that ChatGPT will have the answers either. Perhaps it will still be a useful tool toward arriving at the answers, but I am not presently anticipating that it is going to be churning out all of the code automatically.
imtringued 4y ago
I am banging my head against a heisenbug. I wrote the code that works yesterday. I spent a lot of time rewriting it a dozen times. Now I am back to the original and it works for unexplainable reasons. I doubt that a chatbot could have sped this up. I envy the people who are bottlenecked on their typing speed and benefit 10 times more from the chat bot than I do.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  Have you tried? GPT-4 is pretty good at spotting bugs. It would probably also spot a bunch of other 'bugs' that don't exist, but that would still be better than rewriting it a dozen times.

gradys 4y ago

Indeed, as I write, this is sorta what I have been working toward my whole career. And it's not like this was a giant leap from what ChatGPT already showed it was capable of. People have already been doing stuff like this with LangChain. Nonetheless, seeing that this was OpenAI's plan, that this is now here for real, was a weird experience for me.

Riverheart 4y ago

Job stability is measured in years. Looking forward, assuming it improves, it’ll do more than just copy/paste code. It’ll be a senior dev capable of explaining the pros and cons of a solution, able to do code reviews and so on.

ChatGTP 4y ago
It's time to build a business I guess? Others have said exactly what I'm thinking, welcome to the age of the micro-startup, 1-3 engineers, designers, product mangers building some very cool, albeit niche products.
- margorczynski 4y ago
  And what that business will be worth when any random guy can create an identical one using a LLM? You remove the scarcity and the value plummets.
  - imtringued 4y ago
    More importantly, accountants, lawyers, sales people and other generic business expenses are now making up a bigger portion of your company expenses than the development process.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    Any random guy can copy just about any startup already. It’s the domain expertise and insight into a potential market that builds companies not a few engineers throwing together a react app
    - margorczynski 4y ago
      Any random guy with a shitload of cash to spend on development. These "few engineers" can cost $1kk annually and if you think some random guy can just throw away such cash then well... "Domain expertise and insight into a potential market" won't get you a working product that you can sell.
      - edgyquant 4y ago
        Anyone driven can throw together an MVP for a CRUD app. Having the domain expertise to prove a market edge can get you funding. Most engineers can’t do that second part.
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meghan_rain 4y ago

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IdiocyInAction 4y ago
I've copied like 3 things from SO in the last year max. Speak for yourself.
inimino 4y ago
Or maybe that's just at the places you've worked.
edgyquant 4y ago
No it isn’t and this isn’t a funny joke. If you can’t write optimal algorithms and come up with data structures that allow for mapping out problems you aren’t solving anything and your job has always been one innovation away from disappearing.
- dento 4y ago
  I'd guess 90% dev jobs don't involve any algo knowledge more complicated than "should I pick a list or hashmap" or "which columns need indices". They involve converting business logic into code and combining it with good UI/UX.
tjr 4y ago
I have certainly gotten value out of Stack Exchange and the like, but pretty little overall. The answers to most of my software problems simply aren't there. Nor are they elsewhere on the web. Which leaves me feeling like it's unlikely that ChatGPT will have the answers either. Perhaps it will still be a useful tool toward arriving at the answers, but I am not presently anticipating that it is going to be churning out all of the code automatically.

imtringued 4y ago

I am banging my head against a heisenbug. I wrote the code that works yesterday. I spent a lot of time rewriting it a dozen times. Now I am back to the original and it works for unexplainable reasons. I doubt that a chatbot could have sped this up. I envy the people who are bottlenecked on their typing speed and benefit 10 times more from the chat bot than I do.

sebzim4500 4y ago
Have you tried? GPT-4 is pretty good at spotting bugs. It would probably also spot a bunch of other 'bugs' that don't exist, but that would still be better than rewriting it a dozen times.