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Somebody should tell that to the Rust people. They have a .cargo and a .rustup folder in ~, plus an extra heavy target folder for every project. Would be much n

Somebody should tell that to the Rust people. They have a .cargo and a .rustup folder in ~, plus an extra heavy target folder for every project. Would be much nicer if they put the cache one .cache But they don't seem to care https://github.com/rust-lang/cargo/issues/1734 https://github.com/rust-lang/cargo/issues/1734 https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/1615 https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/1615 https://github.com/rust-lang/cargo/pull/9178 https://github.com/rust-lang/cargo/pull/9178

senden9 4y ago
You can also use the environment file linked in that blog post to tell Rust to follow the XDG standard. Not perfect because it is not the default behaviour but it is doable.
happymellon 4y ago
I put it in another comment, but if you are Rusting on Linux, you can use boxxy to fix bad behaving applications. https://github.com/queer/boxxy https://github.com/queer/boxxy
agilob 4y ago
Somebody should tell this to go people. They just create me a non-hidden directory `~/go`
- vetinari 4y ago
  export GOPATH=~/Projects/go Has been like this since forever.
  - xdennis 4y ago
    Being like that for a long time is not a justification for terrible defaults.
    - pasc1878 4y ago
      That is a better default than a hidden directory. It is obvious and so you can set GOPATH Also works better on Windows where .path is not hidden Also it seems Rob Pike one of the creators of Go and involved with early UNIX thinks that . making hidden files was a mistake. Quote via XahLee http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/writ/unix_origin_of_dot_filename.html http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/writ/unix_origin_of_dot_... - original was Google+ so not existing now.
      - tough 4y ago
        I hate it when I forget to show hidden files on mac. They had a kb shortcut for it
        hanche 4y ago
        They still do: Shift-Command-period toggles hidden files visibility.
        RMPR 4y ago
        And then you have a french layout where it's impossible to fire this keyboard shortcut.
        hanche 4y ago
        Oy. That surprised me. I am quite familiar with the notion of common keyboard shortcut that I can't get on my Norwegian keyboard. Command-(left/right) square bracket is very common, but at least that is usually associated with a menu item so I can assign a different shortcut. But now I learned that on a French keyboard, period is shift-semicolon!? Which makes me wonder: Do the French use the semicolon more often than the period? Oh well, once in a while it sucks not to be American. ;-)
      - arghwhat 4y ago
        Sure, hidden folders are a mistake, but less of a mistake than not adhering to standardized folder structures and just littering in people's home folders.
unnah 4y ago
At least for rust applications of your own, you can use the library https://github.com/dirs-dev/directories-rs https://github.com/dirs-dev/directories-rs to follow XDG on Linux as well as platform conventions on Mac and Windows.
epage 4y ago
> But they don't seem to care While I've not fully dug into all of those links, that is rarely the case and it makes the conversations harder when people over simplify situations like this. Generally, I've found when people make assumptions like this, the underlying requirements are a lot more involved and its not a high enough priority for the small group of overtaxed individuals.
- jenadine 4y ago
  You're right. I apologize. The fact that there was a PR actually shows that some people care.
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    There are 200 thumbs up? And a lot of those are rust people who care.
- stametseater 4y ago
  In my experience, the usual reason for a project not using the XDG Base Dir spec is because somebody on the project simply doesn't like it, particularly XDG_CONFIG_HOME defaulting to $HOME/.config. Resistance to the XDG Base Dir spec really does seem to be rooted in personal preference, I've never seen an objection to it on any technical basis. The best arguments against it that I've seen are "many other projects don't use this spec, so why should we?" (e.g. our project should be the last to adopt it.. but why?) and arguments along the lines of "XDG_BIN_HOME isn't in the spec, therefore we shouldn't use XDG_CONFIG_HOME", which just seems like a lame excuse.
  - bobthebuilders 4y ago
    XDG_BIN_HOME is crucial, without it, not supporting the spec seems like the right call. Better to deal with the status quo until updates happen than to get stuck in bikeshed hell.
    - stametseater 4y ago

senden9 4y ago

You can also use the environment file linked in that blog post to tell Rust to follow the XDG standard. Not perfect because it is not the default behaviour but it is doable.

happymellon 4y ago

I put it in another comment, but if you are Rusting on Linux, you can use boxxy to fix bad behaving applications. https://github.com/queer/boxxy https://github.com/queer/boxxy

agilob 4y ago

Somebody should tell this to go people. They just create me a non-hidden directory `~/go`

vetinari 4y ago
export GOPATH=~/Projects/go Has been like this since forever.
- xdennis 4y ago
  Being like that for a long time is not a justification for terrible defaults.
  - pasc1878 4y ago
    That is a better default than a hidden directory. It is obvious and so you can set GOPATH Also works better on Windows where .path is not hidden Also it seems Rob Pike one of the creators of Go and involved with early UNIX thinks that . making hidden files was a mistake. Quote via XahLee http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/writ/unix_origin_of_dot_filename.html http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/writ/unix_origin_of_dot_... - original was Google+ so not existing now.
    - tough 4y ago
      I hate it when I forget to show hidden files on mac. They had a kb shortcut for it
      - hanche 4y ago
        They still do: Shift-Command-period toggles hidden files visibility.
        RMPR 4y ago
        And then you have a french layout where it's impossible to fire this keyboard shortcut.
        hanche 4y ago
        Oy. That surprised me. I am quite familiar with the notion of common keyboard shortcut that I can't get on my Norwegian keyboard. Command-(left/right) square bracket is very common, but at least that is usually associated with a menu item so I can assign a different shortcut. But now I learned that on a French keyboard, period is shift-semicolon!? Which makes me wonder: Do the French use the semicolon more often than the period? Oh well, once in a while it sucks not to be American. ;-)
    - arghwhat 4y ago
      Sure, hidden folders are a mistake, but less of a mistake than not adhering to standardized folder structures and just littering in people's home folders.

unnah 4y ago

At least for rust applications of your own, you can use the library https://github.com/dirs-dev/directories-rs https://github.com/dirs-dev/directories-rs to follow XDG on Linux as well as platform conventions on Mac and Windows.

epage 4y ago

> But they don't seem to care While I've not fully dug into all of those links, that is rarely the case and it makes the conversations harder when people over simplify situations like this. Generally, I've found when people make assumptions like this, the underlying requirements are a lot more involved and its not a high enough priority for the small group of overtaxed individuals.

jenadine 4y ago
You're right. I apologize. The fact that there was a PR actually shows that some people care.
- kzrdude 4y ago
  There are 200 thumbs up? And a lot of those are rust people who care.
stametseater 4y ago
In my experience, the usual reason for a project not using the XDG Base Dir spec is because somebody on the project simply doesn't like it, particularly XDG_CONFIG_HOME defaulting to $HOME/.config. Resistance to the XDG Base Dir spec really does seem to be rooted in personal preference, I've never seen an objection to it on any technical basis. The best arguments against it that I've seen are "many other projects don't use this spec, so why should we?" (e.g. our project should be the last to adopt it.. but why?) and arguments along the lines of "XDG_BIN_HOME isn't in the spec, therefore we shouldn't use XDG_CONFIG_HOME", which just seems like a lame excuse.
- bobthebuilders 4y ago
  XDG_BIN_HOME is crucial, without it, not supporting the spec seems like the right call. Better to deal with the status quo until updates happen than to get stuck in bikeshed hell.
  - stametseater 4y ago