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It's exciting and cool, but don't quit your job based on an emotional decision I'm just skeptical on how OpenAI fixes the blog spam issue you mentioned. Im sur

It's exciting and cool, but don't quit your job based on an emotional decision I'm just skeptical on how OpenAI fixes the blog spam issue you mentioned. Im sure someone has already started doing the math on how to game these systems and ensure that when you ask ChatGPT for recipe recs, it's going to spout the same spam (maybe worded a bit differently) and we'll soon all get tired of it again. Everything's changing, but everything's also getting more complicated. Humans still need apply.

93po 4y ago
Definitely not an emotional decision. I strongly believe we're going to see a massive shift for rational reasons :) OpenAI fixes this issue by not giving you two pages of the history of this recipe and the grandmother that originated it and what the author's thoughts are about the weather. It's just the recipe. No ads. No referral links. No slideshows. You don't have to click through three useless websites to find one with meaningful information, you don't have to close a thousand modals for newsletters and cookie consent and log-in prompts.
- finikytou 4y ago
  yeah its gonna do what google became. giving you the most consensual or even sponsored recipe. in some ways that's also the end of mankind as it was in all its genius and variations. and that aligns very well with the conspiracy theory that the 1% want the middle class to disappear into a consumer class of average IQ. because the jobs that will disappear first wont be the bluecollar ones. chatgpt will lower the global IQ of mankind in ways that tiktok could not even dream.
- VoodooJuJu 4y ago
  This is absolutely an emotionally impulsive decision. I implore you to reconsider. If you've always wondered about and scoffed at how people fall for things like Nigerian Prince scams and cryptocurrency HELOC bets, this is it, what you're experiencing right now, this intense FOMO, it's the same thing that fools cool wine aunts into giving their savings to Nigerian princes. Tread lightly. Stay frosty.
  - bob1029 4y ago
    > This is absolutely an emotionally impulsive decision. On Monday, I would have agreed with you. Today, I am thinking not so much. Unless you are heavily invested in whatever you are working on, I would definitely consider jumping ship for an AI play. The main reason I am sticking around my current role is that I was able to convince leadership that we must consider incorporation of AI technology in-house to remain competitive with our peers. I was even able to get buy-in for sending one of our other developers to AI/ML night classes at university so we have more coverage on the topic.
  - 93po 4y ago
    I have three weeks until I plan to give notice, so I'll take your perspective to heart and give it time to reconsider, of course. I appreciate the feedback. From my perspective this isn't about anyone trying to convince me of anything and I'm falling for it. My beliefs on the future of software are based on a series of logical steps that lead me to believe most software development, and frankly any software with user interfaces, will mostly cease to exist in my lifetime.
    - pms 4y ago
      You definitely sound all emotional. Take it easy.
      - 93po 4y ago
        Hard for me to be objective about this so I believe you. I'm sure there's emotions there.
        mrcartmeneses 4y ago
        Just wanted to say I am personally feeling super emotional about this. The scary things for me are: A, this happened once before with my career path, I started my working life in journalism and the bottom fell out of the market in 2008 and never recovered. Newspapers went from paying £300 per 1000 words to paying nothing at all (but you get the kudos of being published for your copywriting career). I had a friend still hanging on in the industry around 2010. She was earning £16k per year for a job as the news-editor for two local newspapers in London. None of my friends still work on the industry. Even the BBC people I knew quit. B, a lot of software is to do with automating the work of other people. If that work is itself so easy to do that even software developers aren’t needed, then what does that mean for all of the rest of society who get their jobs automated? Does the economy just crash and burn?
- jmull 4y ago
  Think about why those things exist, though. Not that the way the internet operates has to continue -- in fact I'm pretty sure it can't -- but a lot of stuff exists only because someone figured out a way to pay for it to exist. If you imaging removing those ways then you're also imaging getting rid of a lot of that stuff unless some new ways to pay for it all are found. Hopefully less obnoxious ways, but they could easily be more obnoxious.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    There is a two part problem here. A lot of good stuff only exists because of ads. We want that to remain somehow. But the converse is a huge and ever-growing ocean of bullshit exists to siphon the ad dollars off while doing nothing to actually earn it. Something has to break, and I guess we'll see what really soon.
- hn_20591249 4y ago
  I think a more rational approach would be to join a company in the AI field, rather than quitting on the spot because you think the robots are going to shortly take-over.
  - 93po 4y ago
    That's what I'm implying - I'm not retiring with the hopes of AI robots hand feeding me grapes in 5 years. I'm quitting because I think my skills and experience in building CRUD apps on the same data concepts a thousand times over is about to be pretty useless knowledge.
- phatfish 4y ago
  > No Ads At the moment. Although, this does seem like a chance to reset the economics of the "web". I can see enough people be willing to pay a monthly fee for an AI personal assistant that is genuinely helpful and saves time (so not the current Alexa/smart speaker nonsense), that advertising won't be the main monetization path anymore. But, once all the eyeballs are on a chatbot rather than Google.com what for-profit company won't start selling advertising against that? There is also the question what happens to the original content these LLMs need to actually make their statistical guess at the next word. If no one looks at the source anymore and its all filtered through an LLM is there any reason to publish to the web? Even hobbyists with no interest in making any money might balk knowing that they are just feeding an AI text.
  - nathanasmith 4y ago
    >There is also the question what happens to the original content these LLMs need to actually make their statistical guess at the next word. The LLMs get granted the capacity to explore their environment physically and gather data on their own. The recent PaLM-E demo shows a possible direction.
    - mrcartmeneses 4y ago
      This is how we all die. Considering how humans treat other animals don’t expect an AI made in our own image to let us just happily carry on surviving.
  - fennecfoxy 4y ago
    Lmao, people aren't willing to pay a monthly fee for anything unless they are absolutely forced to, but they also complain about ads. The big issue is moving free with ads ---> paid with no ads + extra features; people froth at the mouth. Hell, just Youtube premium gets enough people angry, being self-entitled and furious that YT dare charge for a service w/o ads, or complaining that it's the creators that generate all the content anyway. Meanwhile my brah YT over here having to host/serve hundreds of thousands or even millions of "24 hours of black screen" or "100 hour timer countdown" or "1 week 168 hour timer countdown", like what the actual fuck.
- bluecrab 4y ago
  OpenAi can't even fix the outage issue. Relax. This is the fire and motion strategy. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/
  - 93po 4y ago
    If they were a company about infrastructure products, or they were using GPT-4 to manage their infrastructure, I'd weight that more heavily ;)
    - jprete 4y ago
      For all practical purposes they're a subsidiary of Microsoft, which most definitely has a very large public infrastructure offering.
      - 93po 4y ago
        Sure, but I don't really care about Microsoft and they have nothing to do with the progress we've seen so far
- parineum 4y ago
  Ok but which recipe tastes good?
  - 93po 4y ago
    Which Netflix shows are good?
    - lupire 4y ago
      At least a Netflix show had someone trying to make it watchable by humans. OpenAI is only putting the content in a blender.
      - 93po 4y ago
        My point is that it determines what is good based on human feedback, and it feeds a recommendation engine.
- lupire 4y ago
  You really want a recipe where the steps are guessed probabilistically? You'll end up with a turkeycakesoup or something.
s3p 4y ago
I am not so sure.

93po 4y ago

Definitely not an emotional decision. I strongly believe we're going to see a massive shift for rational reasons :) OpenAI fixes this issue by not giving you two pages of the history of this recipe and the grandmother that originated it and what the author's thoughts are about the weather. It's just the recipe. No ads. No referral links. No slideshows. You don't have to click through three useless websites to find one with meaningful information, you don't have to close a thousand modals for newsletters and cookie consent and log-in prompts.

finikytou 4y ago
yeah its gonna do what google became. giving you the most consensual or even sponsored recipe. in some ways that's also the end of mankind as it was in all its genius and variations. and that aligns very well with the conspiracy theory that the 1% want the middle class to disappear into a consumer class of average IQ. because the jobs that will disappear first wont be the bluecollar ones. chatgpt will lower the global IQ of mankind in ways that tiktok could not even dream.
VoodooJuJu 4y ago
This is absolutely an emotionally impulsive decision. I implore you to reconsider. If you've always wondered about and scoffed at how people fall for things like Nigerian Prince scams and cryptocurrency HELOC bets, this is it, what you're experiencing right now, this intense FOMO, it's the same thing that fools cool wine aunts into giving their savings to Nigerian princes. Tread lightly. Stay frosty.
- bob1029 4y ago
  > This is absolutely an emotionally impulsive decision. On Monday, I would have agreed with you. Today, I am thinking not so much. Unless you are heavily invested in whatever you are working on, I would definitely consider jumping ship for an AI play. The main reason I am sticking around my current role is that I was able to convince leadership that we must consider incorporation of AI technology in-house to remain competitive with our peers. I was even able to get buy-in for sending one of our other developers to AI/ML night classes at university so we have more coverage on the topic.
- 93po 4y ago
  I have three weeks until I plan to give notice, so I'll take your perspective to heart and give it time to reconsider, of course. I appreciate the feedback. From my perspective this isn't about anyone trying to convince me of anything and I'm falling for it. My beliefs on the future of software are based on a series of logical steps that lead me to believe most software development, and frankly any software with user interfaces, will mostly cease to exist in my lifetime.
  - pms 4y ago
    You definitely sound all emotional. Take it easy.
    - 93po 4y ago
      Hard for me to be objective about this so I believe you. I'm sure there's emotions there.
      - mrcartmeneses 4y ago
        Just wanted to say I am personally feeling super emotional about this. The scary things for me are: A, this happened once before with my career path, I started my working life in journalism and the bottom fell out of the market in 2008 and never recovered. Newspapers went from paying £300 per 1000 words to paying nothing at all (but you get the kudos of being published for your copywriting career). I had a friend still hanging on in the industry around 2010. She was earning £16k per year for a job as the news-editor for two local newspapers in London. None of my friends still work on the industry. Even the BBC people I knew quit. B, a lot of software is to do with automating the work of other people. If that work is itself so easy to do that even software developers aren’t needed, then what does that mean for all of the rest of society who get their jobs automated? Does the economy just crash and burn?
jmull 4y ago
Think about why those things exist, though. Not that the way the internet operates has to continue -- in fact I'm pretty sure it can't -- but a lot of stuff exists only because someone figured out a way to pay for it to exist. If you imaging removing those ways then you're also imaging getting rid of a lot of that stuff unless some new ways to pay for it all are found. Hopefully less obnoxious ways, but they could easily be more obnoxious.
- pixl97 4y ago
  There is a two part problem here. A lot of good stuff only exists because of ads. We want that to remain somehow. But the converse is a huge and ever-growing ocean of bullshit exists to siphon the ad dollars off while doing nothing to actually earn it. Something has to break, and I guess we'll see what really soon.
hn_20591249 4y ago
I think a more rational approach would be to join a company in the AI field, rather than quitting on the spot because you think the robots are going to shortly take-over.
- 93po 4y ago
  That's what I'm implying - I'm not retiring with the hopes of AI robots hand feeding me grapes in 5 years. I'm quitting because I think my skills and experience in building CRUD apps on the same data concepts a thousand times over is about to be pretty useless knowledge.
phatfish 4y ago
> No Ads At the moment. Although, this does seem like a chance to reset the economics of the "web". I can see enough people be willing to pay a monthly fee for an AI personal assistant that is genuinely helpful and saves time (so not the current Alexa/smart speaker nonsense), that advertising won't be the main monetization path anymore. But, once all the eyeballs are on a chatbot rather than Google.com what for-profit company won't start selling advertising against that? There is also the question what happens to the original content these LLMs need to actually make their statistical guess at the next word. If no one looks at the source anymore and its all filtered through an LLM is there any reason to publish to the web? Even hobbyists with no interest in making any money might balk knowing that they are just feeding an AI text.
- nathanasmith 4y ago
  >There is also the question what happens to the original content these LLMs need to actually make their statistical guess at the next word. The LLMs get granted the capacity to explore their environment physically and gather data on their own. The recent PaLM-E demo shows a possible direction.
  - mrcartmeneses 4y ago
    This is how we all die. Considering how humans treat other animals don’t expect an AI made in our own image to let us just happily carry on surviving.
- fennecfoxy 4y ago
  Lmao, people aren't willing to pay a monthly fee for anything unless they are absolutely forced to, but they also complain about ads. The big issue is moving free with ads ---> paid with no ads + extra features; people froth at the mouth. Hell, just Youtube premium gets enough people angry, being self-entitled and furious that YT dare charge for a service w/o ads, or complaining that it's the creators that generate all the content anyway. Meanwhile my brah YT over here having to host/serve hundreds of thousands or even millions of "24 hours of black screen" or "100 hour timer countdown" or "1 week 168 hour timer countdown", like what the actual fuck.
bluecrab 4y ago
OpenAi can't even fix the outage issue. Relax. This is the fire and motion strategy. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/
- 93po 4y ago
  If they were a company about infrastructure products, or they were using GPT-4 to manage their infrastructure, I'd weight that more heavily ;)
  - jprete 4y ago
    For all practical purposes they're a subsidiary of Microsoft, which most definitely has a very large public infrastructure offering.
    - 93po 4y ago
      Sure, but I don't really care about Microsoft and they have nothing to do with the progress we've seen so far
parineum 4y ago
Ok but which recipe tastes good?
- 93po 4y ago
  Which Netflix shows are good?
  - lupire 4y ago
    At least a Netflix show had someone trying to make it watchable by humans. OpenAI is only putting the content in a blender.
    - 93po 4y ago
      My point is that it determines what is good based on human feedback, and it feeds a recommendation engine.
lupire 4y ago
You really want a recipe where the steps are guessed probabilistically? You'll end up with a turkeycakesoup or something.

s3p 4y ago

I am not so sure.