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dekhn 4y ago
I wouldn't call her "rightwing"
- michaelhoffman 4y ago
  I wouldn't call her "professional"
  - marcusverus 4y ago
    Why not?
- wrycoder 4y ago
  Well, she's basically a traditional Democrat, but the woke activists woke her up.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    maybe "centrist"?
giraffe_lady 4y ago
Yes actually.
- lp0_on_fire 4y ago
  Care to back that up with any facts or is it just because you disagree with her? From what I've read she's a pretty run-of-the-mill liberal who's had some disagreements with the current orthodoxy of the left. That doesn't make her a tiki-torch bearing radical.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    Since leaving nyt and even shortly before she's been almost completely focused on the censorship-of-conservatives moral panic and the anti trans crusade. Moderate-right and far-right projects respectively. She uses her newsletter to publish and amplify voices of the right, and writes from their perspective about issues they care about.
    - dahwolf 4y ago
      There's nowhere else to go if you do not subscribe to left wing orthodoxy. Even centrists and center-left nowadays aren't ideologically pure enough, and thus also "right-wing". Recently a feminist on Twitter expressed this problem quite well. She was pushing back against the toxic parts of radical feminism which she considered counter productive. But in doing so, got a lot of heat from the radicals. She's very much left-wing, progressive, and reasonable. The side effect of her pushing back against left-wing extremism is that she gained a lot of attention from the right wing. Actual right wing, not "anybody that slightly disagrees". She didn't ask for that nor does she want to chose between these two extremes, but that's the dynamic right now.
      - giraffe_lady 4y ago
        That sounds like an interesting dynamic but not really relevant to bari weiss consistently endorsing right wing positions and figures and so being accurately described as a rightwing attention seeker, which was the original topic. I don't know anything about the specific situation you're alluding to so can't responsibly comment. But "the leftists made me turn to the right" has been an excuse as long as I can remember and it's a thin one. Radicals simply aren't responsible for the actions their opponents choose to take.
        dahwolf 4y ago
        I suppose it depends on the position in question. It's not "leftists made me turn right" in all cases, it's also formerly progressive points (equality instead of equity, freedom of speech, science over safetyism) shifting into being seen as right-wing positions. The position didn't change, the label did. As to whether this is the case with Weiss, supposedly not. I believe you. Radicals may not be responsible for the actions of opponents, but for sure they are accountable. Or at the very least deal with the predictable back-lash.
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dekhn 4y ago

I wouldn't call her "rightwing"

michaelhoffman 4y ago
I wouldn't call her "professional"
- marcusverus 4y ago
  Why not?
wrycoder 4y ago
Well, she's basically a traditional Democrat, but the woke activists woke her up.
- dekhn 4y ago
  maybe "centrist"?

giraffe_lady 4y ago

Yes actually.

lp0_on_fire 4y ago
Care to back that up with any facts or is it just because you disagree with her? From what I've read she's a pretty run-of-the-mill liberal who's had some disagreements with the current orthodoxy of the left. That doesn't make her a tiki-torch bearing radical.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Since leaving nyt and even shortly before she's been almost completely focused on the censorship-of-conservatives moral panic and the anti trans crusade. Moderate-right and far-right projects respectively. She uses her newsletter to publish and amplify voices of the right, and writes from their perspective about issues they care about.
  - dahwolf 4y ago
    There's nowhere else to go if you do not subscribe to left wing orthodoxy. Even centrists and center-left nowadays aren't ideologically pure enough, and thus also "right-wing". Recently a feminist on Twitter expressed this problem quite well. She was pushing back against the toxic parts of radical feminism which she considered counter productive. But in doing so, got a lot of heat from the radicals. She's very much left-wing, progressive, and reasonable. The side effect of her pushing back against left-wing extremism is that she gained a lot of attention from the right wing. Actual right wing, not "anybody that slightly disagrees". She didn't ask for that nor does she want to chose between these two extremes, but that's the dynamic right now.
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      That sounds like an interesting dynamic but not really relevant to bari weiss consistently endorsing right wing positions and figures and so being accurately described as a rightwing attention seeker, which was the original topic. I don't know anything about the specific situation you're alluding to so can't responsibly comment. But "the leftists made me turn to the right" has been an excuse as long as I can remember and it's a thin one. Radicals simply aren't responsible for the actions their opponents choose to take.
      - dahwolf 4y ago
        I suppose it depends on the position in question. It's not "leftists made me turn right" in all cases, it's also formerly progressive points (equality instead of equity, freedom of speech, science over safetyism) shifting into being seen as right-wing positions. The position didn't change, the label did. As to whether this is the case with Weiss, supposedly not. I believe you. Radicals may not be responsible for the actions of opponents, but for sure they are accountable. Or at the very least deal with the predictable back-lash.

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