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Confirmation that Google is dead.

baq 4y ago
For the first time in a decade they have a viable competitor. They must figure it out and I'm confident they will. They understand they're quite literally are facing extinction. I'm sure they're in focused mode since the original ChatGPT announcement, this should get them into proper creative panic mode.
- topicseed 4y ago
  They missed the first-mover advantage with Cloud, and they're now more and more obviously missing it with public AI tools. What's worrying is how Microsoft and Openai are constantly announcing and pushing great stuff live. It makes whatever announcements from Google look minor.
  - baq 4y ago
    I can almost hear the alarm klaxons in Mountain View from where I'm sitting and I'm sitting in Europe.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > They missed the first-mover advantage with Cloud They also missed the first-mover advantage with web search. And webmail. And online video hosting. And online ads. (In fact, very few of the dominant players anywhere in tech had first-mover advantage in that field.)
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      They bought their way into several of those, something that is much more difficult to to do these days.
      - felixfurtak 4y ago
        Microsoft have effectively bought their way into OpenAI. The fact Google have done LaMDA on their own gives them a great starting point to compete. OpenAI could just be another Netscape.
    - stephc_int13 4y ago
      Google was a different company back then. They evolved into a stagnant beast, I would be very surprised if they manage to turn the ship fast enough. They will survive like Nokia or Kodak survived.
- adventured 4y ago
  Microsoft has a very good leader at the helm, Alphabet does not. You can already see the difference that makes from the last few years. Alphabet has no soul culturally, whatever it once had is long gone. Microsoft is overwhelmingly a software company. What is Alphabet? Microsoft still knows what it is.
danielrpa 4y ago
Sundar Pichai's answers to this point have been knee jerk and uncoordinated. Under the current leadership, Google won't have the ability to leverage its strengths. The fall could be quick, which would be a shame considering Google's immense potential.
ars 4y ago
Not really. I've asked chat several questions where it simply lied to me. I used Google to confirm if the info is actually correct. WolframAlpha makes it way more likely to be correct - but not everything is in there. Also, now I'm worried about the stuff I didn't instantly recognize as false. Does this mean I have to double check every single thing I ask it? That makes it far less useful.
kingstoned 4y ago
Judging by how underwhelming Bard is, I think they are toast, but at least they have YouTube: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1620539538476249088 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1620539538476249088
- antibasilisk 4y ago
  YouTube is a glut of audio-visual training data they have the copyright to, I wouldn't be surprised if they started training something to replace fixed length videos entirely. The content creator will become obsolete, which is tragic.
  - politician 4y ago
    OpenAI has demonstrated that copyright no longer matters given its commercialization of the content of the Internet without attribution or royalties.
    - antibasilisk 4y ago
      As much as I hope that's the case, it's also likely that it only seems that way because legal processes are slow especially when it comes to issues with almost no precident that fundementally challenge the assumptions of US law
      - politician 4y ago
        As much as I would like to believe in the rule of law, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, and others are all going to be able to pour enough lobbying dollars on this to smother any regulations or findings of wrongdoing. AI killed copyright. For small companies and individuals, however, it’s still very much alive. Napster isn’t coming back.
        antibasilisk 4y ago
        Napster was obsoleted a very long time ago, it doesn't need to come back. "you wanna buy a tower records Eduardo?"

baq 4y ago

For the first time in a decade they have a viable competitor. They must figure it out and I'm confident they will. They understand they're quite literally are facing extinction. I'm sure they're in focused mode since the original ChatGPT announcement, this should get them into proper creative panic mode.

topicseed 4y ago
They missed the first-mover advantage with Cloud, and they're now more and more obviously missing it with public AI tools. What's worrying is how Microsoft and Openai are constantly announcing and pushing great stuff live. It makes whatever announcements from Google look minor.
- baq 4y ago
  I can almost hear the alarm klaxons in Mountain View from where I'm sitting and I'm sitting in Europe.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > They missed the first-mover advantage with Cloud They also missed the first-mover advantage with web search. And webmail. And online video hosting. And online ads. (In fact, very few of the dominant players anywhere in tech had first-mover advantage in that field.)
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    They bought their way into several of those, something that is much more difficult to to do these days.
    - felixfurtak 4y ago
      Microsoft have effectively bought their way into OpenAI. The fact Google have done LaMDA on their own gives them a great starting point to compete. OpenAI could just be another Netscape.
  - stephc_int13 4y ago
    Google was a different company back then. They evolved into a stagnant beast, I would be very surprised if they manage to turn the ship fast enough. They will survive like Nokia or Kodak survived.
adventured 4y ago
Microsoft has a very good leader at the helm, Alphabet does not. You can already see the difference that makes from the last few years. Alphabet has no soul culturally, whatever it once had is long gone. Microsoft is overwhelmingly a software company. What is Alphabet? Microsoft still knows what it is.

danielrpa 4y ago

Sundar Pichai's answers to this point have been knee jerk and uncoordinated. Under the current leadership, Google won't have the ability to leverage its strengths. The fall could be quick, which would be a shame considering Google's immense potential.

ars 4y ago

Not really. I've asked chat several questions where it simply lied to me. I used Google to confirm if the info is actually correct. WolframAlpha makes it way more likely to be correct - but not everything is in there. Also, now I'm worried about the stuff I didn't instantly recognize as false. Does this mean I have to double check every single thing I ask it? That makes it far less useful.

kingstoned 4y ago

Judging by how underwhelming Bard is, I think they are toast, but at least they have YouTube: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1620539538476249088 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1620539538476249088

antibasilisk 4y ago
YouTube is a glut of audio-visual training data they have the copyright to, I wouldn't be surprised if they started training something to replace fixed length videos entirely. The content creator will become obsolete, which is tragic.
- politician 4y ago
  OpenAI has demonstrated that copyright no longer matters given its commercialization of the content of the Internet without attribution or royalties.
  - antibasilisk 4y ago
    As much as I hope that's the case, it's also likely that it only seems that way because legal processes are slow especially when it comes to issues with almost no precident that fundementally challenge the assumptions of US law
    - politician 4y ago
      As much as I would like to believe in the rule of law, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, and others are all going to be able to pour enough lobbying dollars on this to smother any regulations or findings of wrongdoing. AI killed copyright. For small companies and individuals, however, it’s still very much alive. Napster isn’t coming back.
      - antibasilisk 4y ago
        Napster was obsoleted a very long time ago, it doesn't need to come back. "you wanna buy a tower records Eduardo?"