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If you're not willing to defend the speech rights of those you personally find reprehensible, then you oppose free speech.
by sowbug 4y ago
If you're not willing to defend the speech rights of those you personally find reprehensible, then you oppose free speech.
- ikiris 4y ago[flagged]
- snapcaster 4y agoI think a more generous interpretation of his comment would be that "speech protections are only relevant for unpopular speech". Nobody needs freedom of expression to discuss how it's kind of rainy today but hopefully sunny this weekend
- tetha 4y agoAlternative flippy way: I fight for your right to say your opinion, and for my right to call it stupid.
- swift532 4y agoYou get to call it stupid, you don't get to cut someone's water or electricity off because you think they have a stupid opinion. Same should go for having the ability to pay for stuff and receive money from people who want to give it to you, as long as what you are doing is not illegal.
- sowbug 4y agoThanks, that's correct. I bet most lawyers who handled important 1A cases wanted their clients to rot in hell.
- vuln 4y ago_silence is violence_
- ashwagary 4y ago>If you're not with me, then you're my enemy. Not quite. Where free speech is concerned, if we don't fight for each other, we are our own enemy.
- ikiris 4y agoSorry, I support the Captain America approach to nazis. You punch them, not defend their right to call for others loss of rights / abuse. If one of the golden age characters can be patriotic about limits of free speech, I think you can figure out that middle ground too.
- soerxpso 4y agoAs long as you're fine with people and corporations treating you that same way if your beliefs ever become socially unacceptable.
- ikiris 4y agoWait, do you think people / corporations should be free, or do you think corporations should be forced to carry messages they don't support?
- ChoGGi 4y agoWhat happens when Captain America goes after Blacks, Jews, etc? I'd rather have that shit out in the open instead of festering somewhere hidden.
- drekk 4y agoIs it really a HN discussion about race if someone doesn't mention the "Blacks, Jews"? What next, are we going to call someone an "Oriental"? Weird skull-caliper vocabulary. How controversial is it to say "genocidal calls for violence should be frustrated by any means necessary, including force"? If Captain America decides to suddenly do a 180 and police the one-drop rule you have my permission to deck him in. Tolerance is something that should be extended to everything but intolerance. We fought an entire global war about this, but took the wrong lessons when all the major players in the Third Reich got promotions to the UN, NASA, etc.
- KennyBlanken 4y agoIf you don't understand that free speech is like every other right in that it is not absolute, and does not apply to private platforms - then you should have paid more attention in your middle school civics class. Gab is a cesspool of hate speech up to and including people using it to advocate things like treating Jewish people like livestock, holocaust denialism, and being used to coordinate conspiracy theories and harassment of innocent people and individuals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)
- vuln 4y ago[flagged]
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