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TikTok Congress Hearing
- senttoschool 4y ago[flagged]
- pnpnp 4y agoWhat makes you think this?
- b112 4y agoParent's response is a classical, common response, when no other arguments exist in defense. Cries of racism and unfairness, without even that documented or reasons pointed to. The truth is, the Chinese government has its hands in everything, with direct control over corporate entities, and the use of force, including torture of relatives, death, if you do not comply. Nothing critical or malleable should be trusted from China, while the current government rules as it does.
- bigcat12345678 4y ago》The truth is, the Chinese government has its hands in everything, with direct control over corporate entities, and the use of force, including torture of relatives, death, if you do not comply. About as true as chatgpt halucination
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- f6v 4y ago> and the use of force, including torture of relatives, death The truth is that all these claims are made by shady groups who cite “anonymous sources” or other bs like that.
- b112 4y agoNo, not even close. Even Expats, for example in Canada, issue many such complaints. Not anonymous, and quite real.
- riskeet 4y agoCope
- sophacles 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
- _bohm 4y agoCan anyone shed light on what exactly "banning TikTok" would look like implementation-wise in the US? Would ISPs be required to block them at the network level? App stores forced to remove the app? Is there any precedent for something like this?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoI could see something like trade sanctions where it's illegal to do business with them. Similar to how Iran is treated.
- lostlogin 4y agoHow would that work look from a use perspective? Would Google not list them? Would app stores drop them? Would the app work for existing installs?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoNot sure. Depends how heavy handed Apple and Google want to be. App store removal is a given.
- nickthegreek 4y agoMost likely, it would be illegal for businesses to do work with Tiktok. So no US advertisers, no payout to US creators. The company would then most likely kill its US platform, as it would no longer be economical.
- mannerheim 4y agoApp store ban, CDN ban, advertising ban.
- nimajneb 4y ago[dead]
- froglets 4y agoTikTok was already banned once by Trump. It was removed from app stores for new downloads but still worked if already installed. ETA: Here’s one article I was able to find about it buried under more recent ones. I’m not sure how long it was removed for, but I do remember checking the Apple App Store at the time and not being able to find it, though it still worked if already installed. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/trump-tiktok-wechat-china-ban-app-stores-1062216/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/trump-tikt...
- sschueller 4y agoI am curios how this will play out because I believe this has nothing to do with privacy or Chinese spying. Instead congress is being lobbied by Facebook[1] and co to remove a competitor from the playing field that is currently eating their lunch. One scenario I can see is that the US will ban TikTok while the EU will implement much stricter privacy rules which would need to be adhered by TikTok and all the other (Instagram, Facebook etc). Effectively making the whole reason the US is going to ban TikTok moot. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/faceboo... EDIT: Spelling
- CharlesW 4y agoBecause I'd want someone to do this for me, the word you want is "moot". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moot https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moot
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- mcv 4y agoI'm hoping that this will result in banning excessive data collection by not just TikTok, but also Facebook and others. Why single out TikTok? Only because it's Chinese?
- VWWHFSfQ 4y agoYeah pretty much just because it's Chinese. China doesn't allow American internet companies access to their market either though.
- yorwba 4y agoMicrosoft's Bing is allowed, because they apply the same censorship as local companies. That's a barrier to entry into the market (need to hire lots of censors) but not a competitive disadvantage (because everyone else also needs to hire lots of censors). American politicians who want to copy Chinese policies to retaliate for unfair treatment of American companies would be retaliating against American citizens for unfairly having First Amendment rights when Chinese citizens don't.
- causi 4y agoToo little too late. TikTok is embedded in the culture now. They could've banned it four years ago when all these privacy concerns were first making headlines but now that half the population uses it every day there's no chance in hell.
- sschueller 4y agoThey could still pass strict privacy laws but the others (Facebook, Google, etc.) don't want that.
- zeroonetwothree 4y agoWhy would TikTok follow them? How can we actually enforce that?
- kelipso 4y agoRegular audits I assume
- s1k3 4y agoI mean, they could do it. But it would be wildly unpopular among that demo.
- stronglikedan 4y agoThat demo would just learn to sideload their apps.
- mannerheim 4y agoNot on iOS, and CDNs likely will not be allowed to host content from TikTok.
- joenot443 4y agoYou must have a lot more faith in technical ability of the average TikTok user than I do :) I think they'll move to Instagram Reels.
- inconceivable 4y agothere's no way bytedance will sell tiktok to an american company. anyone who thinks this will happen is high as a kite. imagine instagram had taken off in china. would the US allow it to be 'force sold' to bytedance or tencent or whatever? L-O-L. bytedance will just shut tiktok down if the US "forces" them to sell. it will simply disappear one day -- maybe with a nice little note explaining the situation, maybe not. the domestic US political ramifications of this are unknown, because we've never been in this kind of situation before - half the country uses this thing, across the entire socio-political demographic spectrum. if the ccp has ultimate control as so many people say, on what planet do they sell this market leading company and platform to a US buyer? one that plainly and openly calls china the enemy. the US can not split the political difference between an outright ban and permitting them to operate. it's a binary outcome. even entertaining the idea that the US would just simply take over this asset is pure, unadulterated fantasy. in fact it is delusional. i mean is anyone actually thinking logically about this?
- esotericimpl 4y ago[dead]
- mcherm 4y ago> i mean is anyone actually thinking logically about this? My working hypothesis is that some of the people considering this ban are thinking about it logically but with the erroneous idea that China is the China of 40 years ago and they the United States is the United States of 40 years ago.
- remarkEon 4y agoI think many supportive of a ban are thinking the United States is the United States of 100 years ago, not 40. The United States of the early 20th century wouldn't have tolerated any of this. Teddy would've broken up all Big Tech and banned TikTok without breaking a sweat, and simply sneered at the detractors before going on another safari. Unfortunately, this America no longer exists.
- scottshamus 4y ago
- thomastjeffery 4y agoUS government indescriminately hoarding American citizens' data? But if we don't, the terrorists win! It's not as if honest Americans have anything to hide, right? US companies openly abusing their access to American citizens' data? I'm sure fining them like 0.1% of their profits will do the trick! No, we can't add more regulations to the industry! Haven't you read Atlas Shrugged? Chinese company having access to American citizens' data? We need to do something about this ASAP! Maybe we can make them an American company!
- pnpnp 4y agoI think the concern is foreign agents using the data for either propaganda or targeting individuals’ phones/location data. It’s exactly what national intelligence exists for.
- thomastjeffery 4y agoYeah, I get that. They are concerned about the Chinese government abusing the data in that specific way. But they are not really concerned with any other abuses. Is it really the category of abuse that matters here, and not the actor? Color me unconvinced.
- pnpnp 4y agoI absolutely think it’s about the actor AND the category. The CCP has really been stepping up its game and putting pressure on in a bad way lately. The South China Sea, Taiwan, Russian interaction… lots of geopolitical reasons for the two governments to be unfriendly at the moment.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago...and what does that have to do with my data? Do you really think the CCP is going to run an effective pro-Russia/China or anti-Taiwan propaganda campaign? In the US? An effective one? I'm still not convinced that risk is even remotely more concerning than what Facebook or the NSA are doing.
- duxup 4y agoIf China doesn't allow US social media companies to operate in their country, I see no reason to allow TikTok to do so.
- cute_boi 4y agoI think they allow social media, but they have so strict regulation and requests that US companies won't operate there. The cost is so high with less revenue.
- CharlesW 4y agoWhile playing with it for a short this morning, TikTok threw the CEO speaking at the hearing into my "For You" 3 times. Nothing else in my "For You" was tech related, and I didn't linger on them or provide other signals demonstrating interest. Maybe it was complete chance, or maybe it wasn't. It made me consider the potential danger of a direct propaganda spigot from the Chinese government to today's youth.
- reducesuffering 4y ago> It made me consider the potential danger of a direct propaganda spigot from the Chinese government to today's youth. What does everyone here think will happen on TikTok when the PRC invades Taiwan? TikTok will be a flood of "don't get involved", "The West caused this", and other PRC state propaganda immediately.
- revlolz 4y agoI noticed this too, but it sincerely just seems like self preservation. Should the US government come after me after being lobbied by Meta and other conglomerates I surely would be "loud" about it too.
- julienb_sea 4y agoIt's not complete chance, but it also is how their live algorithm tends to work. After watching a live for a couple minutes, it seems to come back into the for you feed after some scrolling, even multiple times. Probably because its shown most people in that scenario are in fact still interested in the live feed, but got bored with the immediate proceedings and may get drawn back in after some time has passed. In terms of showing the live feed initially, there is obviously a lot of interest and anger on Tiktok about the potential ban, thus broadening the reach of that content.
- xg15 4y agoIn a larger context, I find the priorities of all of this amazing. The fact that social media (including TikTok) is actively designed for addiction and is currently causing a generation-wide mental health crisis? Not a problem. The fact that all of those apps have been collecting and trading personal data for more than a decade by now? Not a problem. The fact that we know of Facebook's experiments on mood manipulation and we had several scandals about social networks successfully manipulating political opinion? Not a fucking problem. Only when there is risk that all the data gathering, manipulation and exploitation might be done by a foreign state, then social media suddenly becomes a matter of national security.
- doomleika 4y agoI think this hearing showed how important playing politics is for any career. One can be absolute incompetent and clueless in everything but as long as they are good at being performative and playing politics. They can reach top level of organization, have all the power and money without much of the responsibility. Even if one doesn't like politics, knowing how to read people and identifying politics in play is crucial as an insurance in career. It's bleak, but that's the way human works.