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I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about. It took like 5 years for someone from the dev team to acknowledge the first bug report [0]. Look at the attit

I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about. It took like 5 years for someone from the dev team to acknowledge the first bug report [0]. Look at the attitude shown towards the constant request for implementation [1]: > Got patch? Share. Gotn't? Just CC and be silent. Really facinating thread... I read it every year to remind myself that my brother was born that year and now, 18 years later he's an adult so he's allowed to have beer and use a filepicker in GNOME [0] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154 [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154#c32 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154#c32

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>> Got patch? Share. Gotn't? Just CC and be silent. Indeed. This hostile attitude towards criticism of lack of basic QOL features, is what's keeping Linux at ~2% market share, away from the average users, and we'll be perpetually stuck in "$CURRENT_YEAR is finally year of the Linux" meme. Hate Windows all you want kids but if you look at independent online tech related forums where people ask questions or problems on Windows, the answer is always a solution and never "RTFM!" KDE should be commended for acknowledging and fixing some of the usability issues highlighted by the "Linus Tech Tips Gaming on Linux challenge" fiasco form 2021, when most of the Linux community went full neckbeard on him telling him he shouldn't use Linux if he doesn't know how to use the terminal.
- j1elo 4y ago
  That's because people who answer are being paid to do so, or have other types of incentive system put in place, and they wouldn't want risk losing them by writing what they actually think. Not so much with open source, where the one answering has (potentially) just came back home from work and is just taking the time and energy to do it from their own free time and goodwill while they sip a beer and think about what to make for dinner in a couple minutes.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    Between Windows volunteers and Linux volunteers, I've found the former much more amicable. Paid support guys from Microsoft on the other hand: No offence to them, but they're useless.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >That's because people who answer are being paid to do so No they're not. Read my comment again. I wasn't referring to proprietary forums owned by the corporation who makes the platform, but to generic public tech forums that aren't owned by any company. Windows users tend to be way more helpful than Linux users over there.
    - j1elo 4y ago
      Sorry for the confusion. I guess one explanation is that Windows users are immensely many more, so the small portion of users who are generous enough to contribute in those kinds of forums will also be formed of more varied attitudes and skills.
- bharathyes 4y ago
  Many customisations are not possible in Windows let alone requesting any specific feature from the devs. In cases where I had ti seek forumn help in windows three common scenario were: 1. Well known bug with a simple fix that user has to make. 2. Well known bug that has a weird work around or hacky reg edit. 3. No idea what the cause is and you just reinstall and hope it doesnt reoccur. And the ltt video was an obsolute joke because they made little to no effort to learn anything about Linux and operated it like they do windows. of course it was such a bad experience. that's what most reaction I saw was too. if you are great at driving automatic but decided to just drive a stick without putting any effort to learn its specific details or the different, that will end horribly. Cant blame the stick car is terrible.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    >the ltt video was an obsolute joke because they made little to no effort to learn anything about Linux and operated it like they do windows. of course it was such a bad experience. If you need to grow a neckbeard to operate the computer, that is a terrible operating system.
    - vetinari 4y ago
      It's not about growing a neckbeard. Sometimes you have to unlearn the habits you picked on one side of the fence. If you took the same attitude towards other platforms, the result would be same.
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        I can use one coffee maker like any other coffee maker, one toaster like any other toaster. Even Windows and MacOS are largely interchangable at the appliance level. Linux and its desire to neckbeardify its users is its undoing.
        vetinari 4y ago
        Go ahead and try running setup.exe on a mac. Let us know the results, whether you have seen the nice wizard interface. Yes, sometime you have to adjust.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  When VMWare and Virtual Box got good enough to run Linux was when the whole "Year of Linux Desktop" stop mattering to me. And in regards to WebOS, ChromeOS and Android, who cares what Chrome and Java/Kotlin run on top of.
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rhaway84773 4y ago
So yeah, people who are volunteering their time for free are asking if this is so important to you do you have a solution other than demanding that they volunteer their time for free for your priority.
- awill 4y ago
  Volunteering for free? I know there is a lot of that, but doesn’t RH also fund a LOT of gnome development?
  - rhaway84773 4y ago
    Was this a Red Hat priority? Then Red Hat can complain about how their priorities are not being met despite them funding this project. I mean, this is a worse argument. It’s saying “How dare you not volunteer your free time or paid time to meet my priorities even though it’s not your priority or the priority of the people who are paying you”.
  - pengaru 4y ago
    The RH desktop group is a small team in absolute terms.
- superkuh 4y ago
  Actually I talked to them on IRC and Gtk3 is frozen and even if you have a patch that fixes it they will not apply it. Gtk4 is probably different but no one except GNOME itself uses Gtk4.
  - tristan957 4y ago
    This comment is full of misinformation. GTK3 is not frozen. There are PRs for it open right now. They just dropped the Autotools build recently, in fact. Elementary is currently using GTK4. I can only assume Cinnamon is on their way to using GTK4, but I don't keep up. XFCE and MATE move much slower than the other popular desktop environments. XFCE and MATE are going to be slow on the uptick since GTK4 isn't a desktop toolkit at the moment. From what I understand, it has the potential to be, but the maintained haven't opened up certain APIs.
prometheon1 4y ago
Just to give another perspective, this interaction is a bit earlier in the same thread and seems very reasonable: >@Federico: you are a gtk/gnome developer, is it? Then, can you start to make this enhancement? Thank you in advance. >I am, but I don't have time to work on this. It's not a simple feature. I'll gladly mentor someone who wants to implement it, though. He goes on to actually provide tips on how it could be implemented.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>> Got patch? Share. Gotn't? Just CC and be silent. Indeed. This hostile attitude towards criticism of lack of basic QOL features, is what's keeping Linux at ~2% market share, away from the average users, and we'll be perpetually stuck in "$CURRENT_YEAR is finally year of the Linux" meme. Hate Windows all you want kids but if you look at independent online tech related forums where people ask questions or problems on Windows, the answer is always a solution and never "RTFM!" KDE should be commended for acknowledging and fixing some of the usability issues highlighted by the "Linus Tech Tips Gaming on Linux challenge" fiasco form 2021, when most of the Linux community went full neckbeard on him telling him he shouldn't use Linux if he doesn't know how to use the terminal.

j1elo 4y ago
That's because people who answer are being paid to do so, or have other types of incentive system put in place, and they wouldn't want risk losing them by writing what they actually think. Not so much with open source, where the one answering has (potentially) just came back home from work and is just taking the time and energy to do it from their own free time and goodwill while they sip a beer and think about what to make for dinner in a couple minutes.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  Between Windows volunteers and Linux volunteers, I've found the former much more amicable. Paid support guys from Microsoft on the other hand: No offence to them, but they're useless.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >That's because people who answer are being paid to do so No they're not. Read my comment again. I wasn't referring to proprietary forums owned by the corporation who makes the platform, but to generic public tech forums that aren't owned by any company. Windows users tend to be way more helpful than Linux users over there.
  - j1elo 4y ago
    Sorry for the confusion. I guess one explanation is that Windows users are immensely many more, so the small portion of users who are generous enough to contribute in those kinds of forums will also be formed of more varied attitudes and skills.
bharathyes 4y ago
Many customisations are not possible in Windows let alone requesting any specific feature from the devs. In cases where I had ti seek forumn help in windows three common scenario were: 1. Well known bug with a simple fix that user has to make. 2. Well known bug that has a weird work around or hacky reg edit. 3. No idea what the cause is and you just reinstall and hope it doesnt reoccur. And the ltt video was an obsolute joke because they made little to no effort to learn anything about Linux and operated it like they do windows. of course it was such a bad experience. that's what most reaction I saw was too. if you are great at driving automatic but decided to just drive a stick without putting any effort to learn its specific details or the different, that will end horribly. Cant blame the stick car is terrible.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  >the ltt video was an obsolute joke because they made little to no effort to learn anything about Linux and operated it like they do windows. of course it was such a bad experience. If you need to grow a neckbeard to operate the computer, that is a terrible operating system.
  - vetinari 4y ago
    It's not about growing a neckbeard. Sometimes you have to unlearn the habits you picked on one side of the fence. If you took the same attitude towards other platforms, the result would be same.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      I can use one coffee maker like any other coffee maker, one toaster like any other toaster. Even Windows and MacOS are largely interchangable at the appliance level. Linux and its desire to neckbeardify its users is its undoing.
      - vetinari 4y ago
        Go ahead and try running setup.exe on a mac. Let us know the results, whether you have seen the nice wizard interface. Yes, sometime you have to adjust.
pjmlp 4y ago
When VMWare and Virtual Box got good enough to run Linux was when the whole "Year of Linux Desktop" stop mattering to me. And in regards to WebOS, ChromeOS and Android, who cares what Chrome and Java/Kotlin run on top of.
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rhaway84773 4y ago

So yeah, people who are volunteering their time for free are asking if this is so important to you do you have a solution other than demanding that they volunteer their time for free for your priority.

awill 4y ago
Volunteering for free? I know there is a lot of that, but doesn’t RH also fund a LOT of gnome development?
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  Was this a Red Hat priority? Then Red Hat can complain about how their priorities are not being met despite them funding this project. I mean, this is a worse argument. It’s saying “How dare you not volunteer your free time or paid time to meet my priorities even though it’s not your priority or the priority of the people who are paying you”.
- pengaru 4y ago
  The RH desktop group is a small team in absolute terms.
superkuh 4y ago
Actually I talked to them on IRC and Gtk3 is frozen and even if you have a patch that fixes it they will not apply it. Gtk4 is probably different but no one except GNOME itself uses Gtk4.
- tristan957 4y ago
  This comment is full of misinformation. GTK3 is not frozen. There are PRs for it open right now. They just dropped the Autotools build recently, in fact. Elementary is currently using GTK4. I can only assume Cinnamon is on their way to using GTK4, but I don't keep up. XFCE and MATE move much slower than the other popular desktop environments. XFCE and MATE are going to be slow on the uptick since GTK4 isn't a desktop toolkit at the moment. From what I understand, it has the potential to be, but the maintained haven't opened up certain APIs.

prometheon1 4y ago

Just to give another perspective, this interaction is a bit earlier in the same thread and seems very reasonable: >@Federico: you are a gtk/gnome developer, is it? Then, can you start to make this enhancement? Thank you in advance. >I am, but I don't have time to work on this. It's not a simple feature. I'll gladly mentor someone who wants to implement it, though. He goes on to actually provide tips on how it could be implemented.