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German monks create first powdered beer
- gecole 4y agoWhere can I purchase some-I think it would be great for backpacking
- gecole 4y agoWhere can I get the powdered beer, I think it would be great for backpacking
- ahofmann 4y agoYou can't right now. This is their website about powdered beer: https://www.klosterbrauerei.com/shop/Bierpulver/951/951 https://www.klosterbrauerei.com/shop/Bierpulver/951/951 They plan to sell is mid 2023.
- dukoid 4y agoI don't think it's available as a product yet. The original press release mentions some form of "market testing until mid-2023", but no details... https://www.klosterbrauerei.com/shop/Bierpulver/951/951 https://www.klosterbrauerei.com/shop/Bierpulver/951/951
- yorwba 4y agoWay at the bottom they mention that members of the press are invited to come taste it, so you only need to make yourself some fake journalist credentials as a foreign correspondent of Random Backwater Tribune...
- liotier 4y agoChecking how the froth behaves in zero G is the next step in the German space program, which is the obvious reason for this bit of R&D.
- vestrigi 4y agoAppropriate for Minister-President Soeder’s ridiculous Bavaria One space program.
- graeber_28927 4y agoThe first sentence seems to be wrong: > A monastic brewery near Munich says... Klosterbrauerei Neuzelle (15898 Neuzelle) is near Berlin. Klosterbrauerei Andechs, however, is near Munich, but the powder is made in Neuzelle, judging from the links of other commenters.
- ahofmann 4y agoYes, the article got it wrong. Klosterbräu is in Brandenburg, near Berlin. If you have the chance, try "Schwarzer Abt". It is a very sweet tasting beer, nothing like the big brands of german beer.
- rob74 4y agoActually there are lots of (mostly ex-) monastic breweries in Germany - just searching for "Klosterbrauerei" in Google Maps gives me 7 results in Bavaria alone, and there are others that are apparently under Google's radar, like this one also pretty near to Munich https://klosterbrauerei-reutberg.de https://klosterbrauerei-reutberg.de . Not to mention the beer brands that are named after monks, but no longer affiliated with them (Augustiner, Paulaner, Franziskaner, ...)
- NoZebra120vClip 4y ago15898 Neuzelle is an asteroid, right? Can we AI-generate a photo of it crashing into newatlas.com headquarters?
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoI can see how they can make it non alcoholic, but I would like to know how this work with alcohol. Is there some magic to make alcohol powder? How does it work? //EDIT: To answer my own question. Apparently there is a process of micro-encapsulation that basically creates alcohol powder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder
- Traubenfuchs 4y agoApparently they got it all figured out now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y agoI remember this coming out. Problem is there is so much of the filler they use that it's impractical to actually use for anything. Too much volume for snorting, and the filler gunks up your drink if you try to mix a cocktail with it. At least that's my memory of what the issue was, though I never got my hands on it.
- Traubenfuchs 4y agoSEVEN years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XH_GD6TgTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XH_GD6TgTY
- mrpopo 4y agoI don't understand how powdered beer can end up carbonated just by adding water, unless the carbon dioxide is locked in a chemical compound, but then this compound will remain in the drink, which is bound to have health issues.
- Traubenfuchs 4y agoYou want to tell us you have never consumed an effervescent tablet drink?
- Ekaros 4y agoThere is plenty of compound or combinations of compounds that release CO2 when reacting in water. And produces of these are stuff that we can handle just fine or are even common in food.
- jaclaz 4y agoSince the first years or 1900 and until the 1980's, before (carbonated) bottled mineral water became of more common use, carbonating powders for water were very common here in Italy, the most known was commercialized with the name of Idrolitina. On Italian Wikipedia: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idrolitina https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idrolitina Ingredients being sodium bicarbonate and two acids, malic and tartaric.
- LASR 4y agoSo it’s non-alcoholic right now. How can you powder alcohol? Any chemists care to shed some light?
- Traubenfuchs 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder
- madethemcry 4y agoImportant to note that it's "zero-alcohol beer" though. I wonder how to put the alcohol in there. Crystals? Is that a thing? Or just ship the ethanol separately in a small bottle like a sauce?
- petesergeant 4y agohttps://culinarysolvent.com/ https://culinarysolvent.com/
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- hdhrufjdi 4y agoWhy put alcohol in there instead of being glad there's none in there and you don't need to filter it out?
- patrickmcnamara 4y agoPeople like to drink alcohol.
- huffmsa 4y agoIf I'm drinking calories in the form of fermented grass juice -- or anything that isn't plain water -- it'd better be delivering some sort of effect having substance, be it caffeine or alcohol.
- hdhrufjdi 4y agoWhy?
- mjbeswick 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder
- dontbesquare 4y ago
- TaylorAlexander 4y agoAs a former newspaper photographer, I just want to say that I really dislike the use of an AI generated image for this story. Good images would have been a photo of the people or the place where this happened. A photo of a traditional brewing setup. A photo of a beer delivery truck (the story mentions saving on transport costs). There’s just so many real things that could have been used instead. I don’t even mind if they just grabbed the image from google (copyright is not a big concern of mine, but they could use freely licensed images from a variety of sources if they care). The photo is meant to be part of the story. To just have the computer make up a photo seems to kind of miss the mark for me. I think part of what I don’t like is that even though the image is labeled as AI generated, it still may be misleading to readers. It’s adding fabricated details to the story that will get in to people’s minds. If this becomes commonplace it’s going to lead to a lot more misinformation.
- schroeding 4y agoThe worst thing is that they are wrong. There are images. Here is a video from the German public broadcaster RBB: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEr5TOIJQ8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEr5TOIJQ8 Edit: Even better images in the few first seconds of this Der Spiegel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsBtgdhRfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsBtgdhRfA Or this Reuters video: https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idOV893521032023RP1 https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idOV893521032023RP1 Or this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/german-brewery-creates-powdered-beer/ https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/german-brewery-creates-powdere...
- TaylorAlexander 4y agoAmazing!
- dontbesquare 4y agoI've worked at breweries in the past and they used all sorts of computer generated imagery for products. They had me fooled too. Don't feel bad for being mistaken.
- Retr0id 4y agoI'm mildly annoyed at myself, that I didn't spot that the images were AI generated until I read the captions.
- petesergeant 4y ago> zero-alcohol beer There's not really any shortage of malted drinks you can get as a powder already. Could be interesting if you cut it with kitchen alcohol though, I guess.
- kevinstubbs 4y agoThey mention their next step is to produce an alcoholic variant.
- petesergeant 4y agoSure, but that's like saying "I've built a puppet, my next step will be to give it a soul". If they pull it off, it'll be a huge accomplishment and a breakthrough, where this stage isn't really doing anything that exciting.
- thret 4y agoJust reducing the weight of the product by 90% is interesting, it makes it more efficient for delivery by drone.
- dmurray 4y agoConcentrated beer already exists and is used by Guinness to get a 49:1 saving on shipping volume [0], so the extra reduction by pondering it might not be as valuable as the hype. Though the wikipedia article says the concentrated extract gets mixed with local pale beer, rather than water. I wonder if it could be tweaked to work with water or dilute alcohol. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_Foreign_Extra_Stout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_Foreign_Extra_Stout
- anfractuosity 4y agoAs far as I understand that's malt extract, which needs to be fermented
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- 5mv2 4y agoNote that we're just a week away from April Fool's day.
- BurningPenguin 4y agoNeuzelle isn't near Munich. We Bavarians would never accept such unholy creations.
- qwerty456127 4y agoCan I already buy this? If this testes nice I would send this as gifts to relatives and friends all over the world.
- Aldipower 4y agoThere was powered beer (with alcohol!) here in Germany 25 years ago! I remember a spot in the television about new inventions. Obviously I cannot find anything about this in the internet, seems to be too long ago. But this invention isn't new at all. I really dislike this article, it is so wrong at many places.
- Semaphor 4y agoSo there was a video [0] from 2007, talking about a powdered beer, that you apparently drink directly? Sadly, the video itself is missing, so I can’t tell for sure. Going further, I moved past the American alcoholic "beer" (which I assume is even less beer than their normal beers), and found a 2005 Stern article [1] talking about the company GranMalt [2] that made beer-like alcoholfree granules… or planned to. That’s all I could find ;) [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20111016005036/http://www.myvideo.de:80/watch/1645443/Bier_aus_Pulver_Instant_Bier https://web.archive.org/web/20111016005036/http://www.myvide... [1]: https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/job/konzept-bier-aus-der-tuete-3296398.html https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/job/konzept-bier-aus-der-tue... [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20070102104915/http://www.granmalt.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070102104915/http://www.granma... : Here I’ll mention that this is somewhat tongue-in-cheek as I really don’t know much about US beers besides the really bad stuff like Bud Light.
- schroeding 4y agoThe GranMalt AG was / is being liquidated since 2021. You can buy the patents, however![1] :D [1] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/design-patents-sale-gerhard-kamil https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/design-patents-sale-gerhard-k...
- claytongulick 4y agoAlso covered here [1], without the AI images, and with a nice video showing it in action and an interview. [1]https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/german-brewery-creates-powdered-beer/ https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/german-brewery-creates-powdere...
- petodo 4y agoYeah, I wonder why powdered eggs never took off... Seems like no brainer storage size wise and lifespan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powdered_eggs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powdered_eggs
- dogma1138 4y agoFor the same reason powdered milk and most other desiccated foods didn’t. They don’t taste as good, the texture isn’t quite right and it’s too god damn depressive to eat them unless you are on an expedition to Antarctica or these days Mars…
- brokenkebaby 4y agoSo, if read with attention, this is about beer-flavored instant drink.
- Mortiffer 4y agoGiven the comments here this seems to be one of most inaccurate articles to reach the front-page
- chasebank 4y agoWhen I was in college, I "invented" the kegstool, which is a barstool seat top that would attach to keg shells. Got a patent, lost a bunch of money, learned a bunch. Good times. I learned a lot about beer, storage, transportation, etc. There was a company out of Germany I thought was going to revolutionize beer distribution - Beer in Box. Basically, they de-carbonated beer, packaged it in bag in box, shipped it and had a system to re-carbonate at the tap. Kegs are incredibly expensive, heavy, don't grid/stack very efficiently, and most importantly, you need 7 of them on average to pour 1 tap (ones being filled, transit to and from, inventory and on tap). Boxes solved a bunch of problems for everyone. The beer must not taste as good. I don't know why it never caught on. [0] https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080179935A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080179935A1/en [1] https://techcrunch.com/2010/03/31/the-kegstool-a-bar-stool-made-from-a-keg/ https://techcrunch.com/2010/03/31/the-kegstool-a-bar-stool-m... [2] http://www.carbotek.com/beer-in-box#:~:text=Beer%2Din%2Dbox%20is%20the,origin%20concentration%20right%20during%20dispense http://www.carbotek.com/beer-in-box#:~:text=Beer%2Din%2Dbox%....
- bitsinthesky 4y agoI feel this would be great to mix into cheap American beer as a flavorizer