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I believe it's considered deplatforming when it happens in response to political opinions, and with the expectation that it is in relation to communication medi

I believe it's considered deplatforming when it happens in response to political opinions, and with the expectation that it is in relation to communication media. Banking and other critical services would be extreme cases of deplatforming. While on the other hand discrimination implies characteristics that a person can't (reasonably be expected to) change, in this case a profession.

gadders 4y ago
There are plenty of examples of people getting deplatformed by banks (or EG paypal) due to their political beliefs.
- TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
  But this is about the language used to describe the action, not the action itself. I don't think “being unable to open a bank account” is what most people mean when they say “so-and-so shouldn't be given a platform by the NYT”.
  - throwayyy479087 4y ago
    It's the end result, and they certainly don't _oppose_ it That's how Hatreon etc came to be
- tstrimple 4y ago
  I wish we would be more explicit here. What political beliefs are they being de-platformed for? Is it the lower taxes? Deregulation? Immigration policy? Which specific political belief is getting them kicked off of platforms?
  - gadders 4y ago
    Does it matter? Do you have some political beliefs for which you think de-banking is acceptable? What are those?
    - tstrimple 4y ago
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      - zirgs 4y ago
        Would it be OK to cut off access to water, electricity and heating for beliefs that some people consider bigoted? Said something wrong on the internet - no more water for you - go dig your own well. What's the difference between an electricity provider and a banking platform?
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        You can always stuff your cash in your mattress if you manage to be enough of a bigot that every financial institution decides you're radioactive. Harder to do that with utilities like water and electricity. It's worth noting that most US jurisdictions have laws that limit how and when utilities, whether managed publicly or privately, can terminate service. A common example is not being able to cut off gas service in the middle of winter, even if the customer is severely behind on payments. We don't have to worry so much about the slippery slope you describe because we have already established regulatory backstops that consider utilities different from other businesses.
        zirgs 4y ago
        Gay marriage is illegal in my country. What if conservatives get in power and decide to deplatform those who argue for marriage equality? Remember that "your side" won't be in power forever and deplatforming for political reasons creates ugly precedents.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        The point of the post you replied to originally is that bigotry is often clothed in the language of politics, and generally that's done by the bigots. It's only politics because the bigots create that relationship as a mask for the bigotry. It's not deplatforming for political reasons. It's deplatforming bigots.
PeterisP 4y ago
On the other hand, I'd consider "deplatforming" as an appropriate term if and only if the action literally removes the platform used for expressing opinion and communication. E.g. If someone gets kicked off and kept out of some social media platform or gets denied the opportunity to speak at some public event, or interviewers boycott them even when their role normally would get interviewed, gets kicked out of a job which gives them public outreach (e.g. journalism or university) or some venue refuses to rent them facilities for a talk - to me, all of that is deplatforming no matter if it's because of political opinion or innate characteristics like the color of their skin or religion or whatever. If all the media agree to not show or discuss red-haired people, that's obviously deplatforming red-haired people. And on the opposite side, if someone gets hurt in other ways that don't change "the platform" - their landlord kicks them out, they get fired by an employer that "only" provides money but not a platform for outreach, their customers drop them - all of that isn't deplatforming but ordinary discrimination, again no matter if it's because of political opinion or innate characteristics like the color of their skin or religion or whatever (that would only affect whether that's prohibited discrimination).

gadders 4y ago

There are plenty of examples of people getting deplatformed by banks (or EG paypal) due to their political beliefs.

TazeTSchnitzel 4y ago
But this is about the language used to describe the action, not the action itself. I don't think “being unable to open a bank account” is what most people mean when they say “so-and-so shouldn't be given a platform by the NYT”.
- throwayyy479087 4y ago
  It's the end result, and they certainly don't _oppose_ it That's how Hatreon etc came to be
tstrimple 4y ago
I wish we would be more explicit here. What political beliefs are they being de-platformed for? Is it the lower taxes? Deregulation? Immigration policy? Which specific political belief is getting them kicked off of platforms?
- gadders 4y ago
  Does it matter? Do you have some political beliefs for which you think de-banking is acceptable? What are those?
  - tstrimple 4y ago
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    - zirgs 4y ago
      Would it be OK to cut off access to water, electricity and heating for beliefs that some people consider bigoted? Said something wrong on the internet - no more water for you - go dig your own well. What's the difference between an electricity provider and a banking platform?
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        You can always stuff your cash in your mattress if you manage to be enough of a bigot that every financial institution decides you're radioactive. Harder to do that with utilities like water and electricity. It's worth noting that most US jurisdictions have laws that limit how and when utilities, whether managed publicly or privately, can terminate service. A common example is not being able to cut off gas service in the middle of winter, even if the customer is severely behind on payments. We don't have to worry so much about the slippery slope you describe because we have already established regulatory backstops that consider utilities different from other businesses.
        zirgs 4y ago
        Gay marriage is illegal in my country. What if conservatives get in power and decide to deplatform those who argue for marriage equality? Remember that "your side" won't be in power forever and deplatforming for political reasons creates ugly precedents.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        The point of the post you replied to originally is that bigotry is often clothed in the language of politics, and generally that's done by the bigots. It's only politics because the bigots create that relationship as a mask for the bigotry. It's not deplatforming for political reasons. It's deplatforming bigots.

PeterisP 4y ago

On the other hand, I'd consider "deplatforming" as an appropriate term if and only if the action literally removes the platform used for expressing opinion and communication. E.g. If someone gets kicked off and kept out of some social media platform or gets denied the opportunity to speak at some public event, or interviewers boycott them even when their role normally would get interviewed, gets kicked out of a job which gives them public outreach (e.g. journalism or university) or some venue refuses to rent them facilities for a talk - to me, all of that is deplatforming no matter if it's because of political opinion or innate characteristics like the color of their skin or religion or whatever. If all the media agree to not show or discuss red-haired people, that's obviously deplatforming red-haired people. And on the opposite side, if someone gets hurt in other ways that don't change "the platform" - their landlord kicks them out, they get fired by an employer that "only" provides money but not a platform for outreach, their customers drop them - all of that isn't deplatforming but ordinary discrimination, again no matter if it's because of political opinion or innate characteristics like the color of their skin or religion or whatever (that would only affect whether that's prohibited discrimination).