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I'm so lost on so many choices this company did. You de cloud and now use some mini tool like mrskd? I'm running k8s on azure (small), gke (very big), rke2 on

I'm so lost on so many choices this company did. You de cloud and now use some mini tool like mrskd? I'm running k8s on azure (small), gke (very big), rke2 on a setup with 5 nodes and k3s. I'm totally lost why they would de k8s after investing already so much time? They should be able to work with k8s really well at this point. Sry to say but for me it feels the company has a much bigger issue than cloud vs non cloud: no one with proper experience and strategy.

drewda 4y ago
If one of the co-founders/owners is writing the devops tooling from scratch... well, that's a decision. Not saying it's necessarily a bad decision. But it's potentially driven more by personal interests than a dispassionate and strategic plan.
- dilyevsky 4y ago
  Means either the company is doing super well or about to fail, no in-between here
  - danjac 4y ago
    I'm not sure how well 37Signals is doing these days - Hey didn't make as big an impact as they had hoped and Basecamp probably has a core of loyal users but I don't think it's getting a ton of new customers. They're small and could probably keep going until their founders decide to retire though.
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chologrande 4y ago
It does seem like they just moved all of their infra components, and got rid of autoscaling. Load balancing, logging, and other associated components are all still there. Almost nothing changed in the actual architecture, just how it was hosted. I have a hard time seeing why this was beneficial.
- slackfan 4y ago
  Cost, mostly.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    You reckon they cannot afford running some vms for the k8s control plane?
    - nacs 4y ago
      They say they will save $7 million over 5 years with this migration. Sounds worth it to me. https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-years-from-our-cloud-exit-53996caa https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-year...
      - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
        That answers my question, they can afford it if they wanted to. Obviously they don't want to. I'm in their camp when it comes to the cloud vs own hardware.
      - gtirloni 4y ago
        How much will the many extra employees they will need cost them in 5 years?
        djur 4y ago
        Even if they had to hire two or three people to work on this full time (they won't) it'd still be a massive savings.
        Melingo 4y ago
        Depends on the quality and hr overhead. Oncall, new features, security etc. No small it department I worked with, was anywhere close to the features and quality of Google and co.
Aeolun 4y ago
I feel like this is the reason so many horrible kubernetes stacks exist.
llama052 4y ago
Completely agreed with this. K8s is not that operationally hard. The concepts are all there and it's just giving you a framework for it essentially. Many k8s operators out there to help you self host it. Abandoning the entire concept is just wild.
cryptonector 4y ago
I can understand declouding, but getting rid of Kubernetes seems like a lot of work for little gain.
xwdv 4y ago
They’re not thinking strategically, they’re thinking tactically.
jgilias 4y ago
This is very amusing to read! This company invented Ruby on Rails and was in business before ‘cloud’ was a thing. Many things can be said about 37signals and DHH in particular, but lacking proper experience is definitely not one of those.
- Melingo 4y ago
  I am very curious why they had such a bad k8s experience while mine is the total opposite. And just inventing known stuff doesn't mean they are infra or platform experts. I grew into cloud in the same time frame as they did and I'm also a platform expert and k8s expert. So are they automatically better in deployment and platforms because they invented ruby on rails?
  - mirko22 4y ago
    Answer to your question is cos peoples experiences differ, wildly in some cases. Your account was created 18hours ago so I can’t see really what support there is for this specific throwaway account to be declared an expert in anything. Are you self proclaimed expert or world renowned expert? Since they are world renowned buch… :) And yes, I’m expert on these things, trust me :)
    - Melingo 4y ago
      I only create my accounts adhoc because I spend too much time on discussions otherwise. But my argument was more in sense of contradicting the original argument. No one is an expert just because. I for myself I'm a cloud architect in a very big company and have introduced a k8s based platform in two projects. One internal on gke and one in a opensource project. Both are used by 15-20 teams. I also run k8s at home for fun and in a small startup. I'm probably doing primarily k8s for 5 years and was a software engineer before.

drewda 4y ago

If one of the co-founders/owners is writing the devops tooling from scratch... well, that's a decision. Not saying it's necessarily a bad decision. But it's potentially driven more by personal interests than a dispassionate and strategic plan.

dilyevsky 4y ago
Means either the company is doing super well or about to fail, no in-between here
- danjac 4y ago
  I'm not sure how well 37Signals is doing these days - Hey didn't make as big an impact as they had hoped and Basecamp probably has a core of loyal users but I don't think it's getting a ton of new customers. They're small and could probably keep going until their founders decide to retire though.
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chologrande 4y ago

It does seem like they just moved all of their infra components, and got rid of autoscaling. Load balancing, logging, and other associated components are all still there. Almost nothing changed in the actual architecture, just how it was hosted. I have a hard time seeing why this was beneficial.

slackfan 4y ago
Cost, mostly.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  You reckon they cannot afford running some vms for the k8s control plane?
  - nacs 4y ago
    They say they will save $7 million over 5 years with this migration. Sounds worth it to me. https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-years-from-our-cloud-exit-53996caa https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-year...
    - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
      That answers my question, they can afford it if they wanted to. Obviously they don't want to. I'm in their camp when it comes to the cloud vs own hardware.
    - gtirloni 4y ago
      How much will the many extra employees they will need cost them in 5 years?
      - djur 4y ago
        Even if they had to hire two or three people to work on this full time (they won't) it'd still be a massive savings.
        Melingo 4y ago
        Depends on the quality and hr overhead. Oncall, new features, security etc. No small it department I worked with, was anywhere close to the features and quality of Google and co.

Aeolun 4y ago

I feel like this is the reason so many horrible kubernetes stacks exist.

llama052 4y ago

Completely agreed with this. K8s is not that operationally hard. The concepts are all there and it's just giving you a framework for it essentially. Many k8s operators out there to help you self host it. Abandoning the entire concept is just wild.

cryptonector 4y ago

I can understand declouding, but getting rid of Kubernetes seems like a lot of work for little gain.

xwdv 4y ago

They’re not thinking strategically, they’re thinking tactically.

jgilias 4y ago

This is very amusing to read! This company invented Ruby on Rails and was in business before ‘cloud’ was a thing. Many things can be said about 37signals and DHH in particular, but lacking proper experience is definitely not one of those.

Melingo 4y ago
I am very curious why they had such a bad k8s experience while mine is the total opposite. And just inventing known stuff doesn't mean they are infra or platform experts. I grew into cloud in the same time frame as they did and I'm also a platform expert and k8s expert. So are they automatically better in deployment and platforms because they invented ruby on rails?
- mirko22 4y ago
  Answer to your question is cos peoples experiences differ, wildly in some cases. Your account was created 18hours ago so I can’t see really what support there is for this specific throwaway account to be declared an expert in anything. Are you self proclaimed expert or world renowned expert? Since they are world renowned buch… :) And yes, I’m expert on these things, trust me :)
  - Melingo 4y ago
    I only create my accounts adhoc because I spend too much time on discussions otherwise. But my argument was more in sense of contradicting the original argument. No one is an expert just because. I for myself I'm a cloud architect in a very big company and have introduced a k8s based platform in two projects. One internal on gke and one in a opensource project. Both are used by 15-20 teams. I also run k8s at home for fun and in a small startup. I'm probably doing primarily k8s for 5 years and was a software engineer before.