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There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_sign

• renewiltord 4y ago
  Thank you. Better comment than the release docs. This is going to be fantastic!
• cloudking 4y ago
  Thanks saved a lot of time!
• pastor_bob 4y ago
  $50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT
  • paxys 4y ago
    We forgot very quickly that there was an entire generation of developers who paid $1000-2000 or more for an MSDN subscription just as the base cost for doing business. This is what Microsoft does.
    • xxpor 4y ago
      the MSDN subscription was amazing for me to piggyback off of my dad as a kid though. access to essentially everything in MS's current and back catalog that was even remotely related to dev work, including OSes :)
      • spookthesunset 4y ago
        The best was when you knew somebody who worked at microsoft and could get the company discount!
        • LASR 4y ago
          If you knew someone working at MSFT, you would just ask them for some free keys.
          • nwatson 4y ago
            My old MSDN keys for Windows from ten years ago will still unlock Windows 10/11 installs when I need a Windows VM.
    • axlee 4y ago
      Or $299 a year for the Apple Developer Program just for the great honor to be able to develop for that platform...
      • booi 4y ago
        that's not entirely fair... you also need a iDevice and some form of new-ish mac as well.
      • ericlewis 4y ago
        $299 a year? It is $99.
        • drusepth 4y ago
          The Developer Program plan is $99/year and enables distribution via the App Store. The Developer Enterprise Program plan is $299/year and enables corporate/internal distribution to employees. Most people only need the first, but the second is also an option. And if you need both, it's technically $398/year for the great honor.
          • atonse 4y ago
            Most enterprises will spend more than $299 a year just discussing whether they should renew this subscription.
        • jjeaff 4y ago
          $99 plus 15-30% of everything you create.
          • Terretta 4y ago
            Try selling through Amazon.com and see what % you keep. Then try selling through a grocery or drugstore chain.
            • DeathArrow 4y ago
    • nirav72 4y ago
      Did individual developers actually pay that? I’ve done quite a bit of development in the MS ecosystem and can’t recall anyone personally paying for MSDN. It was always through their employer that they got access.
      • WaxProlix 4y ago
        Consultants and freelancers for sure did - though again that's technically a business expense.
        • ghaff 4y ago
          I definitely had some sort of personal MSDN subscription at one point. Plus compilers and the tike were far from free. I had shelves of books. And computers themselves cost more in inflation-adjusted dollars.
      • paxys 4y ago
        We will pretty soon get to a point where companies start to volume license Copilot for their entire engineering team, so really the same thing.
      • zerkten 4y ago
        Individual developers paying was always an insignificant volume. It was still within reach so devs could get it and be productive. As an example, the cost was fairly insignificant to the many .NET devs who jumped to SharePoint in the 2000s to keep their top rates. People give SP a hard time quite rightly, but as a revenue generator for devs in many markets with limited options, it was a very good choice. It was priced and designed for companies to be buying as a bundle with other licensing. individual devs would frequently use some of the loopholes through licensing partners to commit to what was basically a three year subscription that spread the cost. For companies, it could mitigate some of the costs associated with the proliferation of environments that needed to be licensed from top-to-bottom. Later, these may stop being eligible for MSDN use and generate more revenue. License auditing was real and gave visibility into this usage. VMware still have a program like this going for their admin user base. It gets recommended by the r/homelab folks who haven't adopted Proxmox.
    • cscurmudgeon 4y ago
      While building off of free open source. Perfect.
    • reaperducer 4y ago
      We forgot very quickly that there was an entire generation of developers who paid $1000-2000 or more for an MSDN subscription just as the base cost for doing business. Or $800 for a COBOL|FORTRAN|C|AP/L compiler, plus $600 for a debugger. At least when you upgraded the next year, you got $20 off!
    • keithnz 4y ago
      msdn subscriptions were great! virtually every single piece of microsoft software. You'd get this huge folder of CDs back in the day!
    • deleted 4y ago
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  • tarruda 4y ago
    It is basically free if you consider companies will be automating a lot of the dev grunt work for now on. Learning to code using tools like Copilot will be a requirement, but instead of 10 developers you hire 1.
    • Godel_unicode 4y ago
      The amount of dev work isn’t fixed. I think it’s more likely that they’ll keep the 10 (or even hire more) and make more software.
  • wysewun 4y ago
    Great point. Time to do research on how much GitHub contributes to msft earnings. Really does seem like they’re on the verge of a huge jump
    • moonchrome 4y ago
      They are bragging about 1m developers on copilot, let's say 20$/m to be generous - that's 20m$/month - they probably have larger single client revenues than that and I doubt copilot is high margin (I bet I spend more than 10$/month in compute by the queries I generate). Unless this goes to hundreds of dollars/month (which I would pay if it was a good experience) I don't see this making a dent.
      • mewpmewp2 4y ago
        Probably it will be using license for enterprises with decent margins, and it will be much higher cost then. Soon it's no-brainer for all enterprises to buy. I truly think that a little bit more time and engineering costs would be down 80% - 90%, because of all this tooling.
      • DeathArrow 4y ago
        Maybe they think of waiting until everyone uses Copilot and then jack up the price. But that wouldn't quite work.
      • theptip 4y ago
        The upsell is easy to envision though. Just like GitHub. If developers all use it for their own projects, you have a viral growth engine. And you can charge a lot more for the enterprise license. SAML, fine-tuning on your private repos, etc. - this could be a very expensive seat with all the options added.
        • moonchrome 4y ago
          They already have enterprise licenses at 20$/month I generously quoted above (personal is 10$/month), and I think they might have a tough sell when you consider privacy/IP concerns. I think they are just trying to establish themselves in the market and how the market will play out will be seen over the coming years.
  • rvz 4y ago
    > BRB buying some MSFT No. Tell me you buy the hype and on high impact macro-economic news like FOMC and lose more money due to volatility without telling me. Almost everyone here knew GPT-4 will release soon, months ago in advance and you now decide to 'buy' MSFT as soon as it goes up to $277? The market really does get retail FOMO'ing in stocks with the hype and it just never ceases to surprise me that it happens here too.
    • _boffin_ 4y ago
      I think you have a valid point or two, but I think you’re not grasping how much enterprises will be throwing money at MSFT.
      • Godel_unicode 4y ago
        GitHub is already give or take a billion dollar business, and Microsoft is orders of magnitude bigger than that. This will be a nice little sideline for someone but it’s at least as valuable for mindshare as revenue.
    • bavila 4y ago
      This "tell me X without telling me" meme is, frankly, quite snarky and unnecessary.
      • travisjungroth 4y ago
        It’s such a bummer that it started as a joke confessional TikTok meme and became a bitter forum reply meme.
    • mewpmewp2 4y ago
      Based on my own productivity, and how strong the tools seem to be, then I presume current increase in the value is still too very low. These tools would eventually reduce workforce costs by 90% at the very least in my view. To me it seems like most people don't truly understand how things are going to change now.
  • csantini 4y ago
    If you want it cheaper: https://how2terminal.com https://how2terminal.com This is when I build a product and then Microsoft releases it three weeks later -_-
    • MattSayar 4y ago
      What a great landing page. Clear, to the point, with a self-explanatory demo. I know exactly what to do and how to use it in under 30 seconds
    • cess11 4y ago
      In case you'd like to know, there are a couple of typos on the landing page: focussed and Custome service.
    • dotancohen 4y ago
      Your pricing is terrific. The free plan provides just enough daily queries to try it, and the monthly plan might be a good fit for a business. I'm going to sign up for the free plan, not because I need such a tool, but rather so that my boss might see me using it and decide that it's worth $10 a month to her.
    • dotancohen 4y ago
      What is `!-*f(6s6U8Q9b` here: const questionCriteria = { filter: '!-*f(6s6U8Q9b' // body_markdown and link } I thought maybe it is a hard-coded CSS element name in StackOverflow answers, judging by the context, but it's not that. Could you shed some light on this? Found in the How2 source file `how2/lib/how2.js`. Thanks.*
      • JeremyBanks 4y ago
        It’s an encoded bitmask indicating which fields to include from the API. The specific layout is an opaque implementation detail; the value is typically generated by the api playground Ui
        • dotancohen 4y ago
  • berniedurfee 4y ago
    I feel like this is one of those eras where I will, yet again, not invest early and will, yet again, not make stupid money on the other end. Cheers to those who know where to put their dollars to ride this AI bubble to early retirement!
  • bg24 4y ago
    Where is the pricing? I looked around and not obvious if I missed it. Some of these used to be in copilot labs. I used and then disabled it. Was part of monthly copilot subscription.
  • raincole 4y ago
    What worris me is not the price. It's that they mention it as a VSCode and VS feature, not as an API. So what if I use Intellij? And worse, would it eventually kill Intellij?
    • wahnfrieden 4y ago
      Welcome to capitalism where competition is supposedly good
    • Godel_unicode 4y ago
      https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot Made by GitHub.
      • raincole 4y ago
        ? Did you even read the thread? It's about Copilot X, not Copilot. I use Copilot in Intellij daily, and that's exact what I'm worrying about: once MS's AI tools get big enough, they won't be so friendly to third-party IDEs. It's not a stretch at all. Take a look at Copilot's homepage: https://github.com/features/copilot https://github.com/features/copilot > Keep flying with your favorite editor Now, look at Copilot X's announcement: > We are bringing a chat interface to the editor that’s focused on developer scenarios and natively integrates with VS Code and Visual Studio > It recognizes what code a developer has typed, what error messages are shown, and it’s deeply embedded into the IDE. It reads like "we're going to make AI a competitive advantage of VS and VScode." Of course they have the right to do it, I'm just saying I hate it.
        • Godel_unicode 4y ago
          Of course I did, did you read the forum rules? They’re releasing their editors first. Just like they did the last time. Obviously.
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• bigmattystyles 4y ago
  Soon - Introducing Copilot Copilot - to help you navigate the Copilot offerings.
  • amelius 4y ago
    Coco-pilot, with a mascot that looks like Bonzi buddy in an airplane.
    • vanillax 4y ago
      Underrated comment here
  • vitorgrs 4y ago
    Tip to always use Creative mode on bing :) https://imgur.com/a/g8PDMKj https://imgur.com/a/g8PDMKj
    • twis 4y ago
      Funny, but also alarming how little support it has to report something as true.
  • anticensor 4y ago
    No, more like Github Autopilot - to write all the code for you.
• drusepth 4y ago
  > [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ One minor nit for the Githubbers inevitably lurking in the comments: The confirmation message for [4] says that they'll contact you at [first email address listed on your account], not [primary email address listed on your account]. I hope that's just a display bug since I don't have access to the email I first created my account with (but want to keep it added for commit attribution). It's not listed as the primary email though, which is where I'd expect this kind of communication to route through!
  • simonw 4y ago
    I had that problem too.
  • brightball 4y ago
    I think I prefer the WhatTheDiff approach to this one.
• smcleod 4y ago
  I really like copilot, I've used it every day since it was in a closed alpha. Copilot voice however - is hilariously terrible in comparison.
  • tough 4y ago
    talonvoice.com was developed by a develoepr that needed himself to use the AI voice to code tech
    • lahwran 4y ago
      I use talon regularly and in fact had it active while browsing hacker news. this comment is written and submitted with talon!
  • adeelk93 4y ago
    As someone who is not familiar with these sorts of accessibility challenges, what makes copilot voice terrible?
    • smcleod 4y ago
      It doesn't seem to understand anything I say, it also required installing Java! Felt like I'd gone back in time to 2012 or something.
      • moi2388 4y ago
        Eww, Java?
      • re-thc 4y ago
        What did you say?
• fortylove 4y ago
  This screams to me that each internal team just wants a piece of the glory and the accompanying praise and "way to get this across the finish line team!" emails.
  • usrnm 4y ago
    You're forgetting promotions
    • fortylove 4y ago
      True!
• sqs 4y ago
  "GitHub Copilot X is currently a representation of GitHub’s vision for the future rather than an available product offering of GitHub Copilot. As we continue to design, test, and build features that fall into the GitHub Copilot X vision, we are also taking the time to determine the best way to provide them to our customers." From the FAQ at https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x (When will GitHub Copilot X be available and how much does it cost?).