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Once the generation times get to real-time, I dunno what's going to happen. I follow the voice acting community a lot and this is a big existential threat level

by geuis 4y ago

Once the generation times get to real-time, I dunno what's going to happen. I follow the voice acting community a lot and this is a big existential threat level of worry in that community. But I also see some positives for the narrative voice field, but at the expense of actual actors. The latest sequel to a favorite audio book series has the professional narrator pronouncing different character names and town names entirely different than the previous 7 books. In another book the narrator completely changed the character voices in the sequel compared to the first. The positives for listeners is eventually we can guarantee that voices are completely consistent between narrations. An editor will soon be able to describe the emotions of a character and nuance how the AI performs certain scenes. It's really sad but I think the end of human audio storytelling is coming to and end quite rapidly.

bobRollins 4y ago
What will happen is humans redefine their role in society, and keep iterating literally on their survival. We’ve been here before evolving what we call each others roles; priest, cleric, “people name Farmer must be farmers”; they’re arbitrary labels (in that “we don’t know why we exist”, not immutable obligations of reality way), and there’s no reason we to have see this as “the end of human storytelling”; software isn’t lobotomizing us, but changing who can reach us. If info distributed via technology cannot be trusted, good; past has shown there’s no reason to trust technology corporations anyway. Make it explicit. Death of commercial figurative identity is not literal death and language is not the only source of understanding.
EGreg 4y ago
Why only the end of human storytelling? The bots will get all the capital as well as humans get laid off. What will humans have to offer each other, let alone the corporations? Next year they are coming out into the real world and replacing your manual labor… and they will never freak out and attack an old lady or lose their patience. And they will be perfectly tailored to everyone’s individual preferences and needs https://www.axios.com/2023/03/17/robots-humanoid-figure-tesla-robotics-ai https://www.axios.com/2023/03/17/robots-humanoid-figure-tesl...
rdedev 4y ago
My guess would be for voice actors to copyright their voices. I am not familiar with the voice generation ML but i guess for things like dramatic pauses a voice actor might still be needed. Also I'm guessing it should be fairly straightforward to detect such copyright violations. I would really like to see it implemented for heavy text driven rpgs. But overall yeah things look bad for voice actors in general
- NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
  Conceivably, anyone who uses his or her voice for spoken word or singing could, in theory, cryptographically sign each master copy of the recording, and therefore certify that they were present and active in its creation. Of course any post-processing would lose this attestation. So it's practically useless, I suppose. But it would be a first-line of defense in copyright cases, at least, by being able to say "I did indeed say that, and here's the signature." or "You can't prove that I said and signed that."
  - unlikelymordant 4y ago
    Maybe a use case for NFTs hah.
    - andrewflnr 4y ago
      It's a use case for merkle trees. Since the mere existence of the hash at a reasonably well-attested time is sufficient, you don't need the rest. A handful of central roots of various trees is fine, morally equivalent to announcing things with an ad in the newspaper.
      - Yizahi 4y ago
        Now that I think about it, it seems to be a great idea - a verifiable record that some digital artifacts have existed at certain times. Of course it wouldn't be able to "prove ownership" or "prove being original" or other stupid ideas tokenbros throw around, that's impossible. But it wouldn't be profitable for the tokenbros and actually all the distributed attribute is not a requirement. We can probably set up a centralised append only DB which will periodically publish it's own hashes to attest that it wasn't tampered. Probably a useful tool for our deep fake future, the only question is how to scale it, who can be trusted and relied upon to input hashes in the system.
ethicalsmacker 4y ago
On the upside, I can now narrate my own life and thoughts as Morgan Freeman.
- ccvannorman 4y ago
  I re-read this comment in the voice of Morgan Freeman. Noticed only mild artifacts.
  - rcarmo 4y ago
    Nothing beats “Good news, everyone!”, though.
    - AndrewDucker 4y ago
      /Nelson works for me every time.
eddiewithzato 4y ago
it’s already here. People on the chans are using a alexjones model to sing anime songs and it worked really well.
- weard_beard 4y ago
  You've piqued my curiosity. Got any links?
  - mgdlbp 4y ago
    You can search for it given the keywords... https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/92190669/#92191245 https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/92190669/#92191245 Relevant speculative fiction that tops the current /wsg/ thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY
- hhjinks 4y ago
  Alex Jones has been made to sing anime songs for over a decade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZE5peUfWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZE5peUfWQ

by geuis 4y ago

bobRollins 4y ago

What will happen is humans redefine their role in society, and keep iterating literally on their survival. We’ve been here before evolving what we call each others roles; priest, cleric, “people name Farmer must be farmers”; they’re arbitrary labels (in that “we don’t know why we exist”, not immutable obligations of reality way), and there’s no reason we to have see this as “the end of human storytelling”; software isn’t lobotomizing us, but changing who can reach us. If info distributed via technology cannot be trusted, good; past has shown there’s no reason to trust technology corporations anyway. Make it explicit. Death of commercial figurative identity is not literal death and language is not the only source of understanding.

EGreg 4y ago

Why only the end of human storytelling? The bots will get all the capital as well as humans get laid off. What will humans have to offer each other, let alone the corporations? Next year they are coming out into the real world and replacing your manual labor… and they will never freak out and attack an old lady or lose their patience. And they will be perfectly tailored to everyone’s individual preferences and needs https://www.axios.com/2023/03/17/robots-humanoid-figure-tesla-robotics-ai https://www.axios.com/2023/03/17/robots-humanoid-figure-tesl...

rdedev 4y ago

My guess would be for voice actors to copyright their voices. I am not familiar with the voice generation ML but i guess for things like dramatic pauses a voice actor might still be needed. Also I'm guessing it should be fairly straightforward to detect such copyright violations. I would really like to see it implemented for heavy text driven rpgs. But overall yeah things look bad for voice actors in general

NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
Conceivably, anyone who uses his or her voice for spoken word or singing could, in theory, cryptographically sign each master copy of the recording, and therefore certify that they were present and active in its creation. Of course any post-processing would lose this attestation. So it's practically useless, I suppose. But it would be a first-line of defense in copyright cases, at least, by being able to say "I did indeed say that, and here's the signature." or "You can't prove that I said and signed that."
- unlikelymordant 4y ago
  Maybe a use case for NFTs hah.
  - andrewflnr 4y ago
    It's a use case for merkle trees. Since the mere existence of the hash at a reasonably well-attested time is sufficient, you don't need the rest. A handful of central roots of various trees is fine, morally equivalent to announcing things with an ad in the newspaper.
    - Yizahi 4y ago
      Now that I think about it, it seems to be a great idea - a verifiable record that some digital artifacts have existed at certain times. Of course it wouldn't be able to "prove ownership" or "prove being original" or other stupid ideas tokenbros throw around, that's impossible. But it wouldn't be profitable for the tokenbros and actually all the distributed attribute is not a requirement. We can probably set up a centralised append only DB which will periodically publish it's own hashes to attest that it wasn't tampered. Probably a useful tool for our deep fake future, the only question is how to scale it, who can be trusted and relied upon to input hashes in the system.

ethicalsmacker 4y ago

On the upside, I can now narrate my own life and thoughts as Morgan Freeman.

ccvannorman 4y ago
I re-read this comment in the voice of Morgan Freeman. Noticed only mild artifacts.
- rcarmo 4y ago
  Nothing beats “Good news, everyone!”, though.
  - AndrewDucker 4y ago
    /Nelson works for me every time.

eddiewithzato 4y ago

it’s already here. People on the chans are using a alexjones model to sing anime songs and it worked really well.

weard_beard 4y ago
You've piqued my curiosity. Got any links?
- mgdlbp 4y ago
  You can search for it given the keywords... https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/92190669/#92191245 https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/92190669/#92191245 Relevant speculative fiction that tops the current /wsg/ thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY
hhjinks 4y ago
Alex Jones has been made to sing anime songs for over a decade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZE5peUfWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZE5peUfWQ