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I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abo
by gorjusborg 4y ago
I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them.
I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination.
I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen.
Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.
- maztaim 4y agoI can’t speak for their EV line, but no media is talking about how crappy their engines are. I won’t touch a KIA or Hyundai and I have zero qualms speaking up about it. My brother and I both needed new engines after 50,000 miles with normal wear and maintenance. If you read up on oil consumption you will discover they have had problem’s continually since 2014. Last I checked the 2021 +models are still affected. Getting the engine replaced is getting harder as they can’t keep up with engine demand. It’s a 4000 mile set of tests and BS. KEEP ALL YOUR SERVICE RECORDS and keep your maintenance schedule, or you will be paying anywhere from $16,000 USD to fix it on your own dime.
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- cmrdporcupine 4y agoThey do have a history of cheaping on parts. When we had a KIA, all sorts of problems with CV joints, and power steering components, all expiring around 130,000km or so. Just lower quality seals & parts on drivetrain components, that lasted just until out of drivetrain warranty, if I recall. Their EVs seem well built, from watching Sandy Munro videos, anyways. (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igFytqIMp0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igFytqIMp0A) But they're also so-far all in the upper tier of price ranges. Nobody is really making a 'budget' EV yet, apart from maybe GM with the Bolt.
- Aeolun 4y agoExpiring at 130k KM seems sort of reasonable? How long do you expect those parts to last?
- quesera 4y ago130k km == 81k mi, for the metrically-impaired. CV joints, drivetrain, power steering ... in a "reliable" vehicle, will last at least double or triple that!
- simfree 4y agoDepends how and where you drive it, and what ride quality you will put up with. Around 80k miles upgrading to better aftermarket suspension components is usually worth it.
- pzduniak 4y agoThe wildest part for me is that the turbo variants they're selling in Europe seem to be perfectly fine. In the N cars there only seem to be clutch issues (and other stuff that's only relevant if you track them). My family has driven Korean cars since 2008 without ANY issues and I'm perfectly happy with my i30N.
- codazoda 4y agoOne of mine has a seized engine at 66k miles. I’ve been waiting 2 months for the pleasure of paying $6k for a replacement. It is hopelessly backordered. I plan to sell mine as soon as I’m able.
- dzhiurgis 4y agoIIRC Kia or Hyundai has longest warranty - something like 8 years.
- anaganisk 4y agoStrangely, Does Hyundai/Kia have some difference wrt engines in US and India? Never heard anyone complain about engine in India even after 62k miles, they are quite popular among taxi drivers, who definitely stress the engine more than enough. Indian roads can be quite punishing on cars.
- droopyEyelids 4y agoIt IS strange! Hyundai and Kias are the most reliable cars in America right now https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-cars-with-the-fewest-and-cheapest-repairs/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-cars-with-the-fewest-and-ch...
- maztaim 4y agoNote that it appears CarMD is basing this on data largely from 1995-2015. That’s well under the likely time/miles when KIA/Hyundai would have started to have engine trouble s.
- nikau 4y agoTaxis are one of the least stressed engines as they stay at operating temperature for most of their life, more so when they are run 24/7 with multiple shifts.
- anaganisk 4y agoIn Indian traffic cars are constantly revving and slowing down. And Indian taxis are worst maintained. We don't have regulations enforcing it. And the driving of the majority of taxis is also haphazard. I'm not aware of any ideal taxi situation that you're speaking of in the Indian context.
- nikau 4y agoMost engine wear is from cold starts.
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- cssanchez 4y agoI’ve read some threads either here or on Reddit from mechanics saying it was the 2.0 engine (I think the CVT versions) that crapped out like this and they used that engine in a ton of models. Anecdotal, but mine is an old 2013 Kia with a 1.6 engine with DCT like all their turbos / top of line models and I’ve had no mechanical issues at all yet, but I’m looking to buy soon and I won’t consider their 2.0s out of caution.
- nativespecies 4y agoMy 2012 Accent had this issue with a 2.0 engine. Started burning oil around 90K miles and was getting worse by the day. To their credit, Hyundai replaced the full engine at no cost right at 100K miles thanks to the warranty - I have had the car for 10 years without incident, so it's pretty cool to get a brand new engine. I'd buy another Hyundai just because their warranty is so kick-ass
- whoopdeepoo 4y agoBuy a Mazda
- dzhiurgis 4y agoIn about 10 years when they are finally serious about EV's
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago[dead]
- bitsoda 4y agoI'm convinced Mazda could have taken over the world with an electric CX-5. What a missed opportunity. Hopefully it's not too late for them as I think it's one of the nicer, and more tasteful vehicles on the road.
- dzhiurgis 4y agoHad a tiny Kia rental recently for few months - small display for wireless Carplay and reversing camera, buttons otherwise. Perfect combination. All that said wish there was more audio commands and overall remote start gets close to Tesla (who is far from perfect too).
- bmitc 4y agoAs a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifetime warranty. All of their warranty repairs, for small things, were done without hassle. When we took a look at buying another car a few years ago, Kia and Hyundai were by far the best quality car out of everyone, including Honda. I think people to still shit on Kia and Hyundai because the names aren't Honda or Toyota. They have their issues, but in my experience, the warranty and recalls they did covered everything at no cost. And at this point, my Kia is an 8 year old model which was at the tail end of its model design even then. I have zero concern about my Kia's reliability. I even drove my much older Hyundai well over 100,000 miles with hardly any maintenance before trading it in.
- GordonS 4y agoI'd like to buy Kia or Hyundai, but personally I find the interiors both look and feel "cheap", even on the high-end models like the Kia Stinger. Interiors from BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Volvo look and feel so much more luxurious.
- eindiran 4y agoI was in the same boat until my car was stolen. If you haven't heard of it, look up the Kia Boys, though the same rules apply to Hyundais. If you do manage to get the car back, you find yourself much more interested in car anti-theft measures, and will then discover that there are very limited options for parts due to the epidemic of them being stolen (66% of cars stolen in 2021 in Milwaukee, the center of the epidemic were Kia/Hyundai). And there is no indication that the company will be of any help going forward. The only real option is to not buy pre-2021 Hyundais/Kias.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y agoI have a hand-screw isolator on the battery of my my VW T5, like this https://images.app.goo.gl/d5GXhBocg3gEjhbZA https://images.app.goo.gl/d5GXhBocg3gEjhbZA I take the green screw part with me if I have any concerns, and sometimes even if it's parked in it's usual place at home. I figure if a their tries to start the vehicle and it doesn't even turn on, they're likely to move to the next vehicle rather than muck about trying to troubleshoot mine. It's low tech, and non-obvious.
- zjaffee 4y agoGuess what, most if not all cars today have what's called an ECM which is essentially a computer that controls your engine among other things. It's certainly a very easy task to flash that ECM as long as your inside that car and can plug in common off the shelf devices and have your car very quickly be unable to start. Unless you're buying a car that's a decade old you cannot find what you want.
- pornel 4y agoHyundai is on a roll now. IONIQ 5 is one of the fastest-charging EVs, and yes, still has physical buttons.
- b112 4y agoI wish someone would EV a convertible, a glass roof is nice, but a convertible cannot be heavier that all that glass.
- adgjlsfhk1 4y agoit's about aero, not weight. EVs have great range at low speed and at high speed rolling resistance is 90+% of your drag. glass holds a very smooth curve extremely well.
- kristopolous 4y agoWhat I really want is the Wuling Hong Guang Mini EV Cabrio in the US. Here's some pictures, that thing is so cute https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/09/gms-wuling-mini-ev-cabrio-officially-launches-in-china/amp/ https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/09/gms-wuling-mini-ev-cabr... I'd especially love it as a vacation rental. A Hawaiian trip with that thing would be great.
- CameronNemo 4y agoDo you have a picture of it next to an F150? That might be why they don't allow cars that small, though the Feds would never admit it.
- saagarjha 4y agoSoundly like they’re picking the wrong cars to not allow in that case.
- CameronNemo 4y agoUnfortunately the second you talk about banning large trucks in cities, someone comes along worrying about the policy applying to their rural town / homestead.
- remote_phone 4y agoIve never had a Hyundai but I recently rented a Sonata and wow! It had all the high end perks of other cars like top down parking view and a beautiful widescreen for my apple CarPlay! And driving it was great! I was seriously impressed and I enjoyed driving it for the several days I had it.
- layoric 4y agoIt is sad to see even the more 'conservative' (design wise) car companies following this design. Lexus gets a lot of flak for boring/old tech interiors but give me their 2010s design over 'modern' touch screen/capacitive button all-the-things any day. Shame they haven't got more plugin hybrids or EV options though, their build quality/design in my experience makes a lot of other cars feel rushed. My parents had a 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe top trim, and the design was a mess. A part from lane keeping, it had nothing my 10+ years older Lexus RX didn't have, and I found so many aspects of driving it counter-intuitive. I'm glad they are keeping real buttons, but I also hope they start removing things/make them simpler.
- nerdponx 4y agoIt's crazy to me that people think a "boring" interior is a bad thing. I want my car to be as boring, functional, and familiar as possible. I never want to think about my car except when it needs maintenance.
- Izikiel43 4y agoMazda? They don’t even have touchscreens
- esalman 4y agoThey do, however I found it very intuitive on a CX-9. You rotate a dial and it scrolls through all options.
- askvictor 4y agoOn the mazda 6 at least, there's a touchscreen for the native nav/media/etc software, but the touchscreen is disabled if you use Android Auto and are forced to use the dial interface. Go figure.
- izacus 4y agoThe newer models skipped on touchscreen entirely though.
- esalman 4y agoWhat you probably want is a 4runner.
- pjot 4y agoHyundai’s are being stolen[0] left and right where I live. [0]: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hyundai-kia-patch-bug-allowing-car-thefts-with-a-usb-cable/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hyundai-kia-p...
- tass 4y agoThis has been linked to on reddit, and it's being called out that a few 2023 Hyundai models have capacitive buttons and touchscreen controls; Tucson, Ioniq, Verna at least.
- SkyPuncher 4y agoWe bought a 2020 Hyundai Palisade. Absolutely freaking lot it. Lane assist is unreal. It eases 90%+ of the standard driving fatigue.
- SomeCallMeTim 4y agoI just bought an Ioniq 5 a couple of months ago. The buttons are legit great, and the EV drive train is top notch. Loving it so far.
- spockz 4y agoI loved the look and interior of the Ioniq 5. However when testdriving it, it felt sitting on a plank getting tossed about while going over roundabouts. I also had it loose grip and have the FWD kick in in situations and conditions that have never been an issue at higher speeds in my previous (smaller and lower) cars and my current XC90. maybe it had something to do with the large amount of power it has. But it felt scary enough for me to not try it.
- serpix 4y agoI had the exact same feel when test driving it. It has problems cornering and driving in winter conditions.
- SomeCallMeTim 4y agoHmm. I've driven on snowy roads and found it to be better at handling than any other car I've driven, even counting cars that had dedicated snow tires (whereas the Ioniq only had all-season tires). It also has a "snow mode" to help with particularly bad roads. I found at least one review that puts its snow handling down as a "pro", so it's not just me. [1] I did get the Limited AWD with the 20" wheels. Not sure if that makes a difference. [1] https://www.hotcars.com/2023-hyundai-ioniq-5-review/ https://www.hotcars.com/2023-hyundai-ioniq-5-review/
- spockz 4y agoI suppose the tires do matter a lot. I’ve driven an AWD (not sure whether it was a limited edition). The grip was indeed better in AWD mode, at the loss of range but the tossing around is still there. Maybe that would have been fixed completely by Sport seats. Still, I’ve never had a car lose grip like the Ioniq 5. For the FWD cars that is expected, but also the RWD I have is easier to handle.
- carabiner 4y agoThe human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine.
- dimgl 4y agoI have a Genesis G70 2021. It is fantastic; best car I've ever owned. I don't see myself buying anything other than Genesis, if my budget permits. So many awesome features and almost all of them are controlled by dials. I absolutely love it.
- 1970-01-01 4y ago>tech-ridden abomination. Ok I'll bite, what was this abomination? Did it require logging into an app to start?
- EricE 4y agoA friend had a Hyundai Elantra. He needed new brakes so we went to Autozone, picked up some pads and then we jacked it up. I was flabbergasted - they were the easiest brakes to change in any car I have ever done. One bolt, swing the calipers up, pop the old pads out, plug in the new ones, swing the caliper down and put the bolt back in. Had both done in 20 minutes. It was amazing. A car actually DESIGNED to be serviced. A few months later the crank angle sensor went out - again it was the easiest car to work on I have ever seen. The sensor was out in the open, not buried under a bunch of crap. One 10mm bolt, and the harness connector was easily accessible too. Five minutes and we were done. Apparently it's no accident - their attention to detail carries over into their construction equipment too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUi4Fc_8hE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUi4Fc_8hE Oh yeah, car had 250,000 miles on it and still ran like a top while getting 40MPG. Other than using a little oil. For a "cheap" car I was beyond impressed.