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Conservative propaganda? https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/31/the-rubber-room https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/31/the-rubber-roo... And hav

Conservative propaganda? https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/31/the-rubber-room https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/31/the-rubber-roo... And have you ever been to a government office to pull a permit? Or dealt with government procurement? Or attempted to get paperwork through the FAA? And your experience with who you’ve worked with isn’t data by the way.

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
Have you ever tried to get google to give you information you need? It's not any easier.
mrguyorama 4y ago
My girlfriend works public service. The only lazy coworkers she has are Ron Swanson types taking it upon themselves to make public work shittier because they believe the government shouldn't do anything.
gamblor956 4y ago
And have you ever been to a government office to pull a permit? Or dealt with government procurement? Or attempted to get paperwork through the FAA? Yes. It was relatively straightforward, as long as you followed the rules. The hard part is following all the relevant rules, almost all of which exist because people have tried to rip off the government or lawmakers decided to impose unrelated requirements on procurement. That's not the fault of the government workers whose job it is to carry out the requirements that have been imposed on them. And what does an opinion piece about teachers have to do with procurement? Those are completely separate things.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  >Yes. It was relatively straightforward, as long as you followed the rules. The hard part is not going postal as you find out piece by piece that person A didn't tell you about rule X and that department T actually has a revised form W that... and on and on until you find out that you didn't actually have to do any of that because there's some other less shitty process none of these people told you about. It's like the bureaucratic runaround is the default behavior in some of these organizations.
  - monknomo 4y ago
    something that's helpful to keep in mind is that the government orgs you deal with frequently have what have what they must do set by law, with little latitude to change things other than bugging congress
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    It's not person A's job to tell you about rule X or that department T revised form W, or that you don't even have to do any of that at all because there's an alternative process for doing it. It's your job to do the research and do things out correctly so that person A doesn't have to waste time telling you what you should be doing. Or do you think that government agencies have the budget to hire customer support representative and receptionists with intimate knowledge of their department's rules and regulations?
analog31 4y ago
Have you ever been to the IT department of a private company, to get a small change made that makes your job more efficient or helps a customer solve a problem?
stephencanon 4y ago
> have you ever been to a government office to pull a permit? Yes, several times, and it is always completely straightforward. Fill out the appropriate forms, provide the correct documentation, pay fee. If it can be approved by the administrator, it’s issued promptly. If it needs a hearing, it’s scheduled for the next one, you show up and answer questions, they make a decision promptly and it’s either issued or not. I’ve rarely had such efficient interaction with private companies.

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago

Have you ever tried to get google to give you information you need? It's not any easier.

mrguyorama 4y ago

My girlfriend works public service. The only lazy coworkers she has are Ron Swanson types taking it upon themselves to make public work shittier because they believe the government shouldn't do anything.

gamblor956 4y ago

And have you ever been to a government office to pull a permit? Or dealt with government procurement? Or attempted to get paperwork through the FAA? Yes. It was relatively straightforward, as long as you followed the rules. The hard part is following all the relevant rules, almost all of which exist because people have tried to rip off the government or lawmakers decided to impose unrelated requirements on procurement. That's not the fault of the government workers whose job it is to carry out the requirements that have been imposed on them. And what does an opinion piece about teachers have to do with procurement? Those are completely separate things.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>Yes. It was relatively straightforward, as long as you followed the rules. The hard part is not going postal as you find out piece by piece that person A didn't tell you about rule X and that department T actually has a revised form W that... and on and on until you find out that you didn't actually have to do any of that because there's some other less shitty process none of these people told you about. It's like the bureaucratic runaround is the default behavior in some of these organizations.
- monknomo 4y ago
  something that's helpful to keep in mind is that the government orgs you deal with frequently have what have what they must do set by law, with little latitude to change things other than bugging congress
- gamblor956 4y ago
  It's not person A's job to tell you about rule X or that department T revised form W, or that you don't even have to do any of that at all because there's an alternative process for doing it. It's your job to do the research and do things out correctly so that person A doesn't have to waste time telling you what you should be doing. Or do you think that government agencies have the budget to hire customer support representative and receptionists with intimate knowledge of their department's rules and regulations?

analog31 4y ago

Have you ever been to the IT department of a private company, to get a small change made that makes your job more efficient or helps a customer solve a problem?

stephencanon 4y ago

> have you ever been to a government office to pull a permit? Yes, several times, and it is always completely straightforward. Fill out the appropriate forms, provide the correct documentation, pay fee. If it can be approved by the administrator, it’s issued promptly. If it needs a hearing, it’s scheduled for the next one, you show up and answer questions, they make a decision promptly and it’s either issued or not. I’ve rarely had such efficient interaction with private companies.