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Not trying to be rude, but when you're a company the size of Google - that's had MASSIVE lawsuits - you can't just willy-nilly release products globally.

t0mas88 4y ago
You mean like a company the size of Microsoft? Bing chat was earlier and global.
- xdavidliu 4y ago
  MS only dared to put it in Bing after OpenAI's dogfood succeeded. If it had started spouting troublesome stuff, MS wouldn't have touched ChatGPT.
  - afro88 4y ago
    What's that got to do with the price of avocados in San Jose?
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  Bing is 3.5% of market share in Europe, and Edge is even less. You're talking about maybe ~1% of search that Bing Chat is practically available to (in Europe). It's a lot less risky for Microsoft to do what they did than for Google to just open the floodgates in Europe.
  - delecti 4y ago
    Both companies are big enough that the laws in Europe are the same whether there are a hundred or hundred million local users.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
      No. If Google does something on Chrome OS - the EU isn't going to scrutinize it the same way if MS does something on Windows. Same, but opposite for Bing vs Google Search.
      - nightski 4y ago
        I know Google just discovered this AI thing like a few days ago and haven't had the chance to get a product through legal. It's ok, they can take another decade. No biggie.
whoisjuan 4y ago
This is the kind of bureaucratic thinking that is resulting in Google being incapable of innovation.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  Just take the legal risk and launch globally. Yes, some country might have some obscure law about AI chatbots imitating veterans during Ramadan... And if that's the case, then just pay the fine, patch the software, and move on. Better than have the whole product fail because competitors won the market with a global launch.
  - djbusby 4y ago
    Yea! Better to ask forgiveness than permission. (/s)
crazygringo 4y ago
Exactly. You have to go through legal review in every country, is this breaking an accessibility law in Australia or a copyright law in Argentina or a localization law in Canada or an antitrust law in the EU? That's just how it works. That stuff takes months, so do you prefer to withhold it from the US until that's all completed? In a competitive environment that moves quickly, that's not an option.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  "That's just how it works" is trivially invalidated by looking at how it works beyond the walls of this particular corp, eg Bing. So all you're saying is that however the powers that be behave is how they ought to behave
  - crazygringo 4y ago
    I think this is something Bing had been planning for months, so they had time to do all this review in advance? While Google was caught flat-footed and has had to rush this in response. I'm basing this just on what I've read, of course. And if that's the case, I don't think my explanation is invalidated at all, nor "trivially".
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      MS announced and shipped OpenAI / GPT based tech for years now
      - crazygringo 4y ago
        I don't know what product you are referring to that MS has shipped for years. I'm referring to ChatGPT and Bing integration, which is very recent. That was a big surprise to everyone AFAIK.
        wahnfrieden 4y ago
        https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/ai/from-conversation-to-code-microsoft-introduces-its-first-product-features-powered-by-gpt-3/ https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/ai/from-conversat... "We’re finding ways to bring it into Azure and our mainstream products" "And in the same way that you type a question into a search engine and then get to decide which result to click on, GPT-3 returns multiple suggestions for Power Fx formulas." They've been telegraphing this in the open for about 2 years. ChatGPT is an incremental development. Google wasn't surprised, they failed to act wtf is vague about gpt 3 leading to gpt 3.5? chatgpt is absolutely incremental, and a testament to how incremental progress can unlock wider strides in impact
prepend 4y ago
Is chatgpt available globally? Is bing available globally? I find it funny when massive corporations say they can’t legally figure stuff out and the other massive corporations do it. It must feel back to be the lawyer who can’t work this stuff out when other lawyers can. Perhaps similar to when I think some programming is impossible and then see it done in the wild in production.
truthsayer123 4y ago
Does launching it globally break laws of Physics?
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  No - but you don't need physics for legal liabilities...
dagurp 4y ago
Hasn't stopped Tesla and their products can kill people

t0mas88 4y ago

You mean like a company the size of Microsoft? Bing chat was earlier and global.

xdavidliu 4y ago
MS only dared to put it in Bing after OpenAI's dogfood succeeded. If it had started spouting troublesome stuff, MS wouldn't have touched ChatGPT.
- afro88 4y ago
  What's that got to do with the price of avocados in San Jose?
onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
Bing is 3.5% of market share in Europe, and Edge is even less. You're talking about maybe ~1% of search that Bing Chat is practically available to (in Europe). It's a lot less risky for Microsoft to do what they did than for Google to just open the floodgates in Europe.
- delecti 4y ago
  Both companies are big enough that the laws in Europe are the same whether there are a hundred or hundred million local users.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    No. If Google does something on Chrome OS - the EU isn't going to scrutinize it the same way if MS does something on Windows. Same, but opposite for Bing vs Google Search.
    - nightski 4y ago
      I know Google just discovered this AI thing like a few days ago and haven't had the chance to get a product through legal. It's ok, they can take another decade. No biggie.

whoisjuan 4y ago

This is the kind of bureaucratic thinking that is resulting in Google being incapable of innovation.

londons_explore 4y ago
Just take the legal risk and launch globally. Yes, some country might have some obscure law about AI chatbots imitating veterans during Ramadan... And if that's the case, then just pay the fine, patch the software, and move on. Better than have the whole product fail because competitors won the market with a global launch.
- djbusby 4y ago
  Yea! Better to ask forgiveness than permission. (/s)

crazygringo 4y ago

Exactly. You have to go through legal review in every country, is this breaking an accessibility law in Australia or a copyright law in Argentina or a localization law in Canada or an antitrust law in the EU? That's just how it works. That stuff takes months, so do you prefer to withhold it from the US until that's all completed? In a competitive environment that moves quickly, that's not an option.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
"That's just how it works" is trivially invalidated by looking at how it works beyond the walls of this particular corp, eg Bing. So all you're saying is that however the powers that be behave is how they ought to behave
- crazygringo 4y ago
  I think this is something Bing had been planning for months, so they had time to do all this review in advance? While Google was caught flat-footed and has had to rush this in response. I'm basing this just on what I've read, of course. And if that's the case, I don't think my explanation is invalidated at all, nor "trivially".
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    MS announced and shipped OpenAI / GPT based tech for years now
    - crazygringo 4y ago
      I don't know what product you are referring to that MS has shipped for years. I'm referring to ChatGPT and Bing integration, which is very recent. That was a big surprise to everyone AFAIK.
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/ai/from-conversation-to-code-microsoft-introduces-its-first-product-features-powered-by-gpt-3/ https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/ai/from-conversat... "We’re finding ways to bring it into Azure and our mainstream products" "And in the same way that you type a question into a search engine and then get to decide which result to click on, GPT-3 returns multiple suggestions for Power Fx formulas." They've been telegraphing this in the open for about 2 years. ChatGPT is an incremental development. Google wasn't surprised, they failed to act wtf is vague about gpt 3 leading to gpt 3.5? chatgpt is absolutely incremental, and a testament to how incremental progress can unlock wider strides in impact

prepend 4y ago

Is chatgpt available globally? Is bing available globally? I find it funny when massive corporations say they can’t legally figure stuff out and the other massive corporations do it. It must feel back to be the lawyer who can’t work this stuff out when other lawyers can. Perhaps similar to when I think some programming is impossible and then see it done in the wild in production.

truthsayer123 4y ago

Does launching it globally break laws of Physics?

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
No - but you don't need physics for legal liabilities...

dagurp 4y ago

Hasn't stopped Tesla and their products can kill people