4 ms·

But AI is their turf! Google was always a ML company masquerading as a search engine. I guess that the art of "generating text" is not their kind of AI?

hn_20591249 4y ago
Sounds like after the last decade and a half of Google flexing their AI muscle, maybe they are a search company masquerading as an AI company?
- akomtu 4y ago
  It's a Ad Exchange (AdX) with many tentacles to hoard PII. Search is one of those tentacles, just as Android and Chrome.
zeven7 4y ago
Right, my expectation was they had something better than OpenAI they were sitting on and afraid to release / didn't know how to make money with it and were essentially forced to show what they had once Chat GPT became a threat to search. I assume it's still possible they have something better and this is the nuked version that's "safe", but there's a reason for expectations to be high for Google here, and it really needs to clearly outperform Chat GPT in the same way GPT 4 clearly outperforms GPT 3.5.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > I assume it's still possible they have something better and this is the nuked version that's "safe" Its explicitly a smaller model to save on compute costs for scaling up to more users; but that’s a questionable decision given the situation with OpenAI’s accessible models and, if you are going to do that, why also do a slow-roll waitlist? I think both are signs of the kind of caution that will hurt Google in this market, even though the tech is near to the heart of what they do, the product isn’t, and they’ve gone very established-corp-cautious on products outside of their core.
  - robwwilliams 4y ago
    DeepMind in their back pocket. LLMs need higher order supervisory logic and recursive attention/control systems. I suspect Hassabis and colleagues willl be able to wake LMMs from their semi-conscious dream states.
- Palpatineli 4y ago
  I mean they may have a better base model but if there is no business case, there is no resource to do RLHF with mass human labeling.
- muskmusk 4y ago
  In the olden days before Satya Nadella. Microsoft was a bloodsucking vampire of a company that couldn't execute anything of significance, but they had a pretty solid research department. Google could ofcourse sit on a much better version that isn't safe or economic, but they could also just be unable to do better. Good research department, but unable to execute anything significant. Time will tell I guess :)
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
hbn 4y ago
Google is an ad company. ML just happens to be good for targeting ads.
- deltree7 4y ago
  Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle. If Google Cloud was it's own company, it'd be a fortune 100 firm. But you keep doing you, living with outdated information and grandma tales. I bet you'd still be telling this joke to your grandkids too
  - logicchains 4y ago
    >Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle. What about their profits?
manojlds 4y ago
The whole basis of current innovation is from Google, let's not forget.
guardian5x 4y ago
For me, Google was always an Ad company first. But don't get me wrong, they do some great research on the side for AI, like AlphaZero, AlphaGo, etc. But also been early with the Transformer models. There just seems to be a lack to put this into workable products lately.

hn_20591249 4y ago

Sounds like after the last decade and a half of Google flexing their AI muscle, maybe they are a search company masquerading as an AI company?

akomtu 4y ago
It's a Ad Exchange (AdX) with many tentacles to hoard PII. Search is one of those tentacles, just as Android and Chrome.

zeven7 4y ago

Right, my expectation was they had something better than OpenAI they were sitting on and afraid to release / didn't know how to make money with it and were essentially forced to show what they had once Chat GPT became a threat to search. I assume it's still possible they have something better and this is the nuked version that's "safe", but there's a reason for expectations to be high for Google here, and it really needs to clearly outperform Chat GPT in the same way GPT 4 clearly outperforms GPT 3.5.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> I assume it's still possible they have something better and this is the nuked version that's "safe" Its explicitly a smaller model to save on compute costs for scaling up to more users; but that’s a questionable decision given the situation with OpenAI’s accessible models and, if you are going to do that, why also do a slow-roll waitlist? I think both are signs of the kind of caution that will hurt Google in this market, even though the tech is near to the heart of what they do, the product isn’t, and they’ve gone very established-corp-cautious on products outside of their core.
- robwwilliams 4y ago
  DeepMind in their back pocket. LLMs need higher order supervisory logic and recursive attention/control systems. I suspect Hassabis and colleagues willl be able to wake LMMs from their semi-conscious dream states.
Palpatineli 4y ago
I mean they may have a better base model but if there is no business case, there is no resource to do RLHF with mass human labeling.
muskmusk 4y ago
In the olden days before Satya Nadella. Microsoft was a bloodsucking vampire of a company that couldn't execute anything of significance, but they had a pretty solid research department. Google could ofcourse sit on a much better version that isn't safe or economic, but they could also just be unable to do better. Good research department, but unable to execute anything significant. Time will tell I guess :)

deleted 4y ago

[deleted]

hbn 4y ago

Google is an ad company. ML just happens to be good for targeting ads.

deltree7 4y ago
Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle. If Google Cloud was it's own company, it'd be a fortune 100 firm. But you keep doing you, living with outdated information and grandma tales. I bet you'd still be telling this joke to your grandkids too
- logicchains 4y ago
  >Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle. What about their profits?

manojlds 4y ago

The whole basis of current innovation is from Google, let's not forget.

guardian5x 4y ago

For me, Google was always an Ad company first. But don't get me wrong, they do some great research on the side for AI, like AlphaZero, AlphaGo, etc. But also been early with the Transformer models. There just seems to be a lack to put this into workable products lately.