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I cannot think of a legitimate basis to discriminate by country.
by YPPH 4y ago
I cannot think of a legitimate basis to discriminate by country.
- endisneigh 4y agobasically not all countries speak english as a first language, so it wouldn't make sense to put it in all countries. secondly, staggered rollout is pretty common
- marginalia_nu 4y agoYou could simply roll out per language, rather than per country in that case, since language is by its very nature self-selecting.
- kderbyma 4y agoBut that would be silly and it would not be politically motivated
- antibasilisk 4y agoSpeaking as someone who had to decide how to distribute anonymous work, language is extremely difficult to track as even if the system language is set to English, comprehension and literacy are not necessarily at the level you need for the data you get back to be useful. It is much more effective to select for countries in the 95th percentile of the English Proficiency Index.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoRight, but due to migration, this is also a problem within regions where a language is the primary language. Any connection you draw between native language and region is tenuous at best.
- antibasilisk 4y agoMigration doesn't impact this since the English Proficiency Index is updated to account for it.
- TylerE 4y agoLanguages are not monoliths. Compare UK vs US English. Similarly, it is increasingly common to get two Spanish tracks… one for “Latin American” Spanish (which is what you almost certainly learned if you took Spanish in school) and European (aka Iberian or Castilian) Spanish. One of the most obvious is that ce/ci, and some z’s are pronounced “th” and not “s”. So a Spaniard would say “cinco” as something like “thinko”. This why it’s “wor-es” (Juarez) Mexico, but “her-eth” (Jerez) Spain.
- knorker 4y agoNo, language doesn't make sense. Everyone in Sweden knows English. Actually nowadays I bet higher percentage of Swedes know English than know Swedish.
- titaniczero 4y ago> Actually nowadays I bet higher percentage of Swedes know English than know Swedish. Is that hyperbole? Because that would be very sad if true, culturally speaking. There are 5 different official languages in my country (Spain) and there are several laws to prevent them from becoming extinct for this very reason.
- knorker 4y agoIt's not hyperbole, but I also don't have data to back this up. I guess I should say I'm counting adults. Everyone who went through mandatory schooling was taught English. Everyone who didn't (immigrated) is more likely to know English than Swedish. So the only people who know Swedish but not English would be those who flunked out half way through mandatory schooling, or immigrants who knew neither English nor Swedish, and only learned Swedish. Swedish is not disappearing (c.f. your example in Spain), but basically everyone speaking Swedish is (at least) bilingual.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoSchrems II?
- vorpalhex 4y agoLaws, localization, language, the list goes on.
- Fernicia 4y agoWhether you agree with it or not, the EU has proved itself to take consistently anti-big US tech stances, so I can see why they might be deterred from releasing to that market without obvious financial benefits.
- gcatalfamo 4y agochatgpt didn't have geographical limitations when it came out, greatly aiding its virality.
- bcg361 4y agoYes it did, and it still does. It's allowed in most countries, and is much better than bard, but it's not perfect. https://platform.openai.com/docs/supported-countries https://platform.openai.com/docs/supported-countries
- Takennickname 4y agoAh yes. Because the world is only the US and the EU.
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- titaniczero 4y ago> the EU has proved itself to take consistently anti-big US tech stances Is that how you call trying to protect consumers over there? Really, there are genuinely good reasons for those "stances".
- pembrook 4y agoYou've apparently never interfaced with lawyers before. A startup is free to release globally, because nobody will care if they spit out something false, there's no money to extract for penalties and fines. If Google's Bard says one thing wrong in the wrong country, it has the potential to cost the company hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars. In places like the EU, governments see Google as a giant piggybank of funding. They know Google will not pull out of any region as large as the EU, so they will use any excuse to introduce fines and penalties. They also know Google can, and will pay. Hence they've hit Google with nearly €10B in fines over the last few years.
- cypress66 4y agoAre both OpenAI (chatgpt) and Microsoft (Bing chat) startups? Because neither had country restrictions.
- pembrook 4y agoPerhaps that's why ChatGPT is so overwhelmingly censored. Maybe Google can be more free-wheeling with Bard by keeping in the US for now?
- sebzim4500 4y agoYes, like that startup 'Microsoft' that launched Bing Chat globally a few months ago.
- pembrook 4y agoCompared to Google, Bing is indeed a challenger startup. Microsoft could completely kill Bing in the EU with very little effect to their bottom line. But you do bring up a good point. Why be so conservative if Bard isn't even tied in with Google search? My only guess is Google turning into a global whipping boy for fines has made them trigger shy.
- surgical_fire 4y ago> In places like the EU, governments see Google as a giant piggybank of funding. They know Google will not pull out of any region as large as the EU, so they will use any excuse to introduce fines and penalties. They also know Google can, and will pay. Hence they've hit Google with nearly €10B in fines over the last few years Those fines were clearly not high enough.