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I just got the email as well. Pretty disappointed that they're doing such a short wind-down time, we were actively using the codex models for a number of experi

by kiwih 4y ago

I just got the email as well. Pretty disappointed that they're doing such a short wind-down time, we were actively using the codex models for a number of experimental platforms in our research group.

tyoma 4y ago
Codex should still be available via Azure, just not via OpenAI.
- letitgo12345 4y ago
  It's 10 cents/1K tokens - far cry from the 2 cents/1K tokens that equivalent size models OpenAI was offering
  - axiom92 4y ago
    codex (code-davinci-002) was free. This is going to be a huge deal for research groups.
  - esskay 4y ago
    OpenAI was likely running it at significant loss, that's just not sustainable when they're already making huge losses on every single api call.
    - aldarisbm 4y ago
      legit question, how do you know they are losing money?
      - hhh 4y ago
        It was free.
      - esskay 4y ago
        As hhh already said, it was free for a long time. In addition it costs a fortune to run their models. They've mentioned as much on twitter a few times now. Their compute is provided by Microsoft and they've got investors but even with the new premium plan its extremely unlikely they are making anything close to enough to cover their costs. Eventually OpenAI will likely be absorbed by Microsoft as they are betting heavily on their tech and have made waves about significant investments followed by a significant ownership stake. This article covers things fairly well: https://archive.is/qMUPH https://archive.is/qMUPH For some more (pre GPT-4) cost estimates this article is on the mark: https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/chatgpt-interesting-things-to-know-8334991/ https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-techn... At $0.0003 per word (will be more with GPT-4 as its a model that requires more resources to run) their costs were over $100K per day back in December. Given how much it's taken off since then we're likely into well over $1 million per day now. The subscription service obviously isnt going to make that much for a long, long time, if ever. In 2021 they lost over $500 million as well so Microsofts $10bn investment will cover them for a few years but will take some doing to recoup.
ilaksh 4y ago
ChatGPT is extremely similar and doesn't flip out and start repeating like code-davinci-002 does sometimes (and the model parameters lie freq penalty don't stop it).

by kiwih 4y ago

I just got the email as well. Pretty disappointed that they're doing such a short wind-down time, we were actively using the codex models for a number of experimental platforms in our research group.

tyoma 4y ago

Codex should still be available via Azure, just not via OpenAI.

letitgo12345 4y ago
It's 10 cents/1K tokens - far cry from the 2 cents/1K tokens that equivalent size models OpenAI was offering
- axiom92 4y ago
  codex (code-davinci-002) was free. This is going to be a huge deal for research groups.
- esskay 4y ago
  OpenAI was likely running it at significant loss, that's just not sustainable when they're already making huge losses on every single api call.
  - aldarisbm 4y ago
    legit question, how do you know they are losing money?
    - hhh 4y ago
      It was free.
    - esskay 4y ago
      As hhh already said, it was free for a long time. In addition it costs a fortune to run their models. They've mentioned as much on twitter a few times now. Their compute is provided by Microsoft and they've got investors but even with the new premium plan its extremely unlikely they are making anything close to enough to cover their costs. Eventually OpenAI will likely be absorbed by Microsoft as they are betting heavily on their tech and have made waves about significant investments followed by a significant ownership stake. This article covers things fairly well: https://archive.is/qMUPH https://archive.is/qMUPH For some more (pre GPT-4) cost estimates this article is on the mark: https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/chatgpt-interesting-things-to-know-8334991/ https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-techn... At $0.0003 per word (will be more with GPT-4 as its a model that requires more resources to run) their costs were over $100K per day back in December. Given how much it's taken off since then we're likely into well over $1 million per day now. The subscription service obviously isnt going to make that much for a long, long time, if ever. In 2021 they lost over $500 million as well so Microsofts $10bn investment will cover them for a few years but will take some doing to recoup.

ilaksh 4y ago

ChatGPT is extremely similar and doesn't flip out and start repeating like code-davinci-002 does sometimes (and the model parameters lie freq penalty don't stop it).