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From the tweets: > GPT-4 showed a deep understanding of the game and played much more optimally than how my slow biological brain would ever have. Are you sur
by owenmarshall 4y ago
From the tweets:
> GPT-4 showed a deep understanding of the game and played much more optimally than how my slow biological brain would ever have.
Are you sure?
The letter P is the 14th most common letter found in the English dictionary, and it played it twice on the first guess.
I’d expect a system with a deep understanding and playing an optimal game to pick more common letters and definitely to not play a relatively uncommon letter twice.
- A_D_E_P_T 4y agoI played wordle the other day with GPT-4. It also guessed "APPLE" on its first attempt. (It's very odd that the guy who made those tweets experienced the very same first guess.) Astonishingly, GPT-4 was nevertheless able to find the correct word in just three guesses, despite that objectively suboptimal first guess. Impressed the hell out of me. Also, I did a rather poor job of explaining the rules of the game. With the instruction set I provided, I'm not sure that a human would have been able to figure out how to play at all.
- campbel 4y agoChat GPT probably has been given the task before and picked up on it with some keywords.
- drdeca 4y agoI don’t think it is being actively trained on the current conversations? Or at least not in a continual way...?
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y agoIsn't it though? I thought the was the whole point of the free tier: to let people give its responses thumbs ups and thumbs downs and suggest better answers.
- drdeca 4y agoYes, I do think that is to get more training data... But my impression is that continual training is difficult, so it makes more sense to get a big chunk of it and then do a big chunk of training on that? But maybe they have done that at least once already with this new data?
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y agoFrom my understanding, they have two networks: One to generate responses (with some randomness), and another network to predict whether or not that response will get upvoted or downvoted. The human upvotes and downvotes obviously train the second network. It's possible they iterate these two networks independently, but I'm not sure.
- kadoban 4y agoI don't believe that those are actively fed into the AI as feedback, instead they go to the devs to have some things to investigate and see if they can improve.
- jay_kyburz 4y agoI thought you were always supposed to start with AUDIO because it has so many vowels.
- karaokeyoga 4y agoADIEU as well (with an E to boot).
- raincole 4y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRed0Xmc2Wg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRed0Xmc2Wg The best starting word is "SALET".
- astrostl 4y agoNYT's own WordleBot uses LEAST.
- owenmarshall 4y agoDuring what I think was the height of the Wordle craze, and after watching this video, I tried to treat it like chess. I memorized SALET and a few of the most common next moves off it. I think I managed to keep a handful of second guesses and one or two third guesses straight in my mind. I played those patterns on even days, and on the odd days I used my traditional heuristic word of AEROS (three vowels, common consonant R, S at the end) and tried to reason through. Apart from my score for both days going down, I found that my suboptimal AEROS play was way better for me - which makes sense, I can’t keep enough of the search tree in my head to use it well!
- j16sdiz 4y ago> pick more common letters No The good game should be playing everything at around half chance, so it can bisect the solution set in each step
- aidenn0 4y agoAs long as no more than half the words contain "e" guessing the most common letters is close to half chance. Also, it's a trinary result in wordle. Also the information is not symmetrical.
- fsckboy 4y agoyou're describing an optimal game for a computer with perfect knowledge of the wordlist and easy access to vocabulary based on the middle letter, etc. if a human's memory is organized differently, their optimal strategy is different. For example, for me narrowing down consonants quickly is much more important than vowels.
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- raincole 4y agoYou can safely ignore what he said just by the amount of emojis he used in his tweet. That being said, it's impressive enough that GPT-4 can have a basic "understanding" of Wordle with such short prompt.
- rkangel 4y agoOne of the more impressive developers of open source graphics drivers posts her youtube videos using an anime avatar and a voice changer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG9xUxIf73o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG9xUxIf73o). The world changes, and your signals for someone's technical competence appear not to have been updated for a new generation.
- raincole 4y agoI was not saying the tone of his tweet is too casual. It's the exact opposite. The excess amount of emojis (at least on twitter) is correlated with "marketing guy" to me. Someone who talk about $trending_topic just to promote themselves or their own businesses rahter than genuinely want to share their knowledge and experieneces. My train of thought isn't unnecessary emojis -> casualness -> incompetence instead unnecessary emojis -> fake casualness -> agenda Feel free to disagree with me. It's just my personal obvervation.