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This isn’t a free speech issue. This is an enemy foreign government collecting information on US citizens.

macinjosh 4y ago
Why are they our enemy? They are our most important trading partner.
Spivak 4y ago
So to be consistent here, every country outside the US should ban all software originating in the US that collects user information. If the answer is yes then by all means, but I think it makes for atrocious foreign policy relations.
- morelisp 4y ago
  This is a short summary of the Schrems II decision, yes.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  Well, there's definitely a strong argument that none of the data of EU residents can be processed in China or under Chinese jurisdiction, based on previous court rulings.
  - theGnuMe 4y ago
    The EU has GDPR. The US has refused to consider similar legislation but that would be a way to keep TikTok and limit data collection on US citizens and require it stay in the USA.
- mint2 4y ago
  That argument doesn’t make sense as it assumes the governments of the other countries are equally at odds as China is with the US. Western Europe and US are generally wanting each other to succeed as friends and allies. China wants the us market but also wants the US to be weaker and not pose an example as a democracy. It also assumes a lot about level government control in each country that is highly dissimilar.
schwartzworld 4y ago
Then we should set strict laws about what kinds of data apps can harvest from their users and hold all of them responsible, not just the ones from scary china.
- _8j50 4y ago
  It is not the data collection but where the data is sent and how it is used. You cannot enforce US laws in China but in the US you can. If it was an EU company, relations are good enough to where US companies are being fined and paying billions to the EU with the understanding that similar free trade regulations can happen unlike with hostile China
  - 8note 4y ago
    This is still regulations the US can put in. The data has to be sent from the US.
    - _8j50 4y ago
      But can be sent to china or im a recent case accessed by china dictated employees where they tracked down a US journalist using tiktok collected data.
- waynesonfire 4y ago
  It targets all foreign adversaries.
nh23423fefe 4y ago
> enemy seems like the characterization is doing all the work for you

Why are they our enemy? They are our most important trading partner.

So to be consistent here, every country outside the US should ban all software originating in the US that collects user information. If the answer is yes then by all means, but I think it makes for atrocious foreign policy relations.

morelisp 4y ago
This is a short summary of the Schrems II decision, yes.
disgruntledphd2 4y ago
Well, there's definitely a strong argument that none of the data of EU residents can be processed in China or under Chinese jurisdiction, based on previous court rulings.
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  The EU has GDPR. The US has refused to consider similar legislation but that would be a way to keep TikTok and limit data collection on US citizens and require it stay in the USA.
mint2 4y ago
That argument doesn’t make sense as it assumes the governments of the other countries are equally at odds as China is with the US. Western Europe and US are generally wanting each other to succeed as friends and allies. China wants the us market but also wants the US to be weaker and not pose an example as a democracy. It also assumes a lot about level government control in each country that is highly dissimilar.

schwartzworld 4y ago

Then we should set strict laws about what kinds of data apps can harvest from their users and hold all of them responsible, not just the ones from scary china.

_8j50 4y ago
It is not the data collection but where the data is sent and how it is used. You cannot enforce US laws in China but in the US you can. If it was an EU company, relations are good enough to where US companies are being fined and paying billions to the EU with the understanding that similar free trade regulations can happen unlike with hostile China
- 8note 4y ago
  This is still regulations the US can put in. The data has to be sent from the US.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    But can be sent to china or im a recent case accessed by china dictated employees where they tracked down a US journalist using tiktok collected data.
waynesonfire 4y ago
It targets all foreign adversaries.

nh23423fefe 4y ago

> enemy seems like the characterization is doing all the work for you