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A pragmatic pessimist is just a realist, no? I gripe _all the time_. It's part of my being. It's just what my family does. I'm Jewish and so I also associate w

by js2 4y ago

A pragmatic pessimist is just a realist, no? I gripe _all the time_. It's part of my being. It's just what my family does. I'm Jewish and so I also associate with it culturally. But importantly, it doesn't get us (my family) down. I consider it just observing the world. It's quite stereotypically Jewish to complain and then say "not that I'm complaining." My daughter inherited this lovely (that's sarcasm, another thing that runs in my family) trait from me. My son did not. I really have to check myself before complaining around other people. And around my wife. Because I recognize that a lot of people, most even, don't want to hear it. A friend once said about me: "Some people think the glass is half full, others that it's half empty. You just think the water sucks." :-)

m463 4y ago
I've also noticed that some people take complaining very personally. You have to be careful around those sensitive souls.
Melatonic 4y ago
Or maybe you just need to improve your sense of humour so that all those other people find you hilarious too :-D
xyzelement 4y ago
I am likewise Jewish and I do think there's some cultural tendency towards observation that you're describing (hence, perhaps the over-representation of our people among both comedians and scientists) But perhaps there's a big difference between observation and griping (to use your word) - in the outcome. Observation can lead to improvement: I saw something, I called it out, and then I or someone else can fix it. Complaining to me is the non-actionable form of observation - making a lot of noise but either leading to no improvement or actually discouraging yourself and others from taking action around the topic.
hinkley 4y ago
As a Highly Sensitive Person, life has taught me that if I smell smoke or hear scratching sounds, if I don't say something then the problem may fester for hours or days before anyone else even notices. If I shout, "What are the dogs doing?" from two rooms away, I often find out that I have family members in the same room as the dogs who have no idea they're chewing on something they shouldn't be. Like seriously? They're right in front of you. As an easily distracted person, if I don't shop ideas for others to adopt, odds are good that they will get forgotten. So sure, call me a 'complainer'. My better bosses call me a scout or a lookout.
- scns 4y ago
  I suspect for a long time, that high-sensitivity is the same as ADD. All filters wide open, especially for noise. Lookout/Scout? For sure. Nack in tribal times it was an asset, to have individuals who sleept long and stayed up late, saved up to 150 lives in case of emergency. Nowadays it is work, to find a niche to thrive in. Meditation and Ritalin might help you, being able to experience noise in a different way. A the best.
  - SoftAnnaLee 4y ago
    Personally, I suspect it's autism rather than ADHD (and Inattentive-type ADHD, AKA: ADD). In my experience the people I've known who have just ADHD tend to be better at filtering out external stimuli than those I've known with Autism. And likewise the folks I've known who have both ADHD and Autism tend to have a harder time filtering out stimuli, or getting distracted by particular stimuli, than those with just ADHD. That said, my own personal (and very unscientific) theory is that ADHD and Autism are merely differing manifestations of the same neurological phenomenon. So I could see that somebody who has ADHD might be more sensitive than a neurotypical person.
    - tayo42 4y ago
      Doesn't autism have a whole set of extra social issues like not being able to understand emotions of others?
    - hinkley 4y ago
      One of the things I've picked up reading HSP literature is that the human brain regresses when pushed past its limits. You go into fight, flight, or freeze, and from there everyone starts to look the same - like a petulant toddler. Part of self care is giving yourself permission not to torture yourself. To wear earplugs, prefer quiet restaurants, to ask the host of a party to please stop burning incense like it's Christmas Mass, or to just give yourself permission to pop in and then leave after an hour. There's overlap between HSP and alcoholism as well. Needing to get smashed at a party in order to 'relax' is more than just decompressing after a hard workweek. Alcohol dulls the senses.
bitwize 4y ago
> I'm Jewish and so I also associate with it culturally. It's interesting that your culture came up with one of the best words to describe the useless, resigned, ambient complaining that we're all so tempted to engage in when it seems the world wants to kill us with 1000 papercuts: kvetching.

by js2 4y ago

m463 4y ago

I've also noticed that some people take complaining very personally. You have to be careful around those sensitive souls.

Melatonic 4y ago

Or maybe you just need to improve your sense of humour so that all those other people find you hilarious too :-D

xyzelement 4y ago

I am likewise Jewish and I do think there's some cultural tendency towards observation that you're describing (hence, perhaps the over-representation of our people among both comedians and scientists) But perhaps there's a big difference between observation and griping (to use your word) - in the outcome. Observation can lead to improvement: I saw something, I called it out, and then I or someone else can fix it. Complaining to me is the non-actionable form of observation - making a lot of noise but either leading to no improvement or actually discouraging yourself and others from taking action around the topic.

hinkley 4y ago

As a Highly Sensitive Person, life has taught me that if I smell smoke or hear scratching sounds, if I don't say something then the problem may fester for hours or days before anyone else even notices. If I shout, "What are the dogs doing?" from two rooms away, I often find out that I have family members in the same room as the dogs who have no idea they're chewing on something they shouldn't be. Like seriously? They're right in front of you. As an easily distracted person, if I don't shop ideas for others to adopt, odds are good that they will get forgotten. So sure, call me a 'complainer'. My better bosses call me a scout or a lookout.

scns 4y ago
I suspect for a long time, that high-sensitivity is the same as ADD. All filters wide open, especially for noise. Lookout/Scout? For sure. Nack in tribal times it was an asset, to have individuals who sleept long and stayed up late, saved up to 150 lives in case of emergency. Nowadays it is work, to find a niche to thrive in. Meditation and Ritalin might help you, being able to experience noise in a different way. A the best.
- SoftAnnaLee 4y ago
  Personally, I suspect it's autism rather than ADHD (and Inattentive-type ADHD, AKA: ADD). In my experience the people I've known who have just ADHD tend to be better at filtering out external stimuli than those I've known with Autism. And likewise the folks I've known who have both ADHD and Autism tend to have a harder time filtering out stimuli, or getting distracted by particular stimuli, than those with just ADHD. That said, my own personal (and very unscientific) theory is that ADHD and Autism are merely differing manifestations of the same neurological phenomenon. So I could see that somebody who has ADHD might be more sensitive than a neurotypical person.
  - tayo42 4y ago
    Doesn't autism have a whole set of extra social issues like not being able to understand emotions of others?
  - hinkley 4y ago
    One of the things I've picked up reading HSP literature is that the human brain regresses when pushed past its limits. You go into fight, flight, or freeze, and from there everyone starts to look the same - like a petulant toddler. Part of self care is giving yourself permission not to torture yourself. To wear earplugs, prefer quiet restaurants, to ask the host of a party to please stop burning incense like it's Christmas Mass, or to just give yourself permission to pop in and then leave after an hour. There's overlap between HSP and alcoholism as well. Needing to get smashed at a party in order to 'relax' is more than just decompressing after a hard workweek. Alcohol dulls the senses.

bitwize 4y ago

> I'm Jewish and so I also associate with it culturally. It's interesting that your culture came up with one of the best words to describe the useless, resigned, ambient complaining that we're all so tempted to engage in when it seems the world wants to kill us with 1000 papercuts: kvetching.