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I think better time would be spent getting Full Vulkan on MacOS with proton support. The amount of people wanting to run Linux on Macs is waaay lower than with

I think better time would be spent getting Full Vulkan on MacOS with proton support. The amount of people wanting to run Linux on Macs is waaay lower than with Windows PCs.

p_j_w 4y ago
Then go ahead and do it, but why should the Asahi Linux people take this into consideration? The entire point of the project is to get Linux running on ARM Macs. That's what they personally want and there's no reason for them to make market share considerations.
malermeister 4y ago
Hard disagree. Apple Silicon is by far best in class, but the OS it ships with feels like a toy to me. Can't wait for the hardware to be liberated.
- radicaldreamer 4y ago
  Why does MacOS feel like a toy? It's the primary OS for a huge number of developers (at least in the Bay Area) who are doing plenty of production work on it every day. Fully support bringing a well supported Linux distro to the hardware but MacOS is nothing like ChromeOS or some sort of thin client operating system.
  - UncleEntity 4y ago
    > It's the primary OS for a huge number of developers (at least in the Bay Area) who are doing plenty of production work on it every day. How much of that work is being done in Electron?
  - ofchnofc 4y ago
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  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    Not GP but I also believe that MacOS feels like a toy. All the icons are jumping around everywhere, everything is colourful, it's 2023 and you can't maximize a window or make it take up half the screen, etc. I also hate the touch bar but I'd probably get used to that. I used a pre-touchbar Air for a few months and going back to windows felt amazing. I am eagerly waiting for Asahi to be usable as a daily driver, my next laptop will probably run Apple silicon.
    - Aldo_MX 4y ago
      > You can't maximize a window or make it take up half the screen Yeah, the first thing I do when I get a new Mac is to install some tools to make the experience less annoying. AltTab: https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ Rectangle: https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/ Dato: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dato/id1470584107 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dato/id1470584107 Caffeine: https://www.caffeine-app.net/ https://www.caffeine-app.net/ Paragon NTFS Driver (free for Seagate disks): https://www.seagate.com/support/software/paragon/ https://www.seagate.com/support/software/paragon/ -- In my own experience, I found out GNOME 40+ to be more polished UI-wise than MacOS. I was really surprised when I installed Fedora Silverblue the first time. And also I'm a bit upset that MacOS seems to have stalled, and when Apple adds changes is to make it look more and more like iOS.
      - sliken 4y ago
        I hate the idea of requiring 6 random binaries from 6 random companies just to get the basics working like tabbing windows, resizing windows, and reading drives. Doubly so when they are closed source and free. How are the developers making the money? Are they community supported somehow, maybe patreon? Are they tracking you? Inlining ads to your desktop? Who is paying for their apple devel tools or apple store ID? As the saying goes, if the app is free, you are the product that company is selling Imagine supporting 100 mac users, each with 6 random binaries installed.
    - daaaaaaan 4y ago
      Mouse over the green window button, hold down option and you can maximize, and tile to the left/right of the screen.
  - malermeister 4y ago
    * poor window management * no built-in package manager * low hackability/customizability * constant code signing prompts with 3rd party software, my OS is fighting me trying to use software * constant prompts to please finally sign into icloud * deprecated OpenGL * general handholding in the OS getting in the way
- NexRebular 4y ago
  Can't wait indeed, they will be excellent BSD machines when all is said and done.
kouteiheika 4y ago
With all due respect, no offense, but I find comments like this a little bit disrespectful. These are a couple of volunteers, working for free, and you're saying that it'd be better for them to volunteer their time for the benefit of a huge trillion dollar corporation and work on something that the aforementioned corporation explicitly does not want (but could very easily do itself).
DeathArrow 4y ago
Mail Apple and ask for Vulkan support.

I think better time would be spent getting Full Vulkan on MacOS with proton support. The amount of people wanting to run Linux on Macs is waaay lower than with Windows PCs.

p_j_w 4y ago

Then go ahead and do it, but why should the Asahi Linux people take this into consideration? The entire point of the project is to get Linux running on ARM Macs. That's what they personally want and there's no reason for them to make market share considerations.

malermeister 4y ago

Hard disagree. Apple Silicon is by far best in class, but the OS it ships with feels like a toy to me. Can't wait for the hardware to be liberated.

radicaldreamer 4y ago
Why does MacOS feel like a toy? It's the primary OS for a huge number of developers (at least in the Bay Area) who are doing plenty of production work on it every day. Fully support bringing a well supported Linux distro to the hardware but MacOS is nothing like ChromeOS or some sort of thin client operating system.
- UncleEntity 4y ago
  > It's the primary OS for a huge number of developers (at least in the Bay Area) who are doing plenty of production work on it every day. How much of that work is being done in Electron?
- ofchnofc 4y ago
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- sebzim4500 4y ago
  Not GP but I also believe that MacOS feels like a toy. All the icons are jumping around everywhere, everything is colourful, it's 2023 and you can't maximize a window or make it take up half the screen, etc. I also hate the touch bar but I'd probably get used to that. I used a pre-touchbar Air for a few months and going back to windows felt amazing. I am eagerly waiting for Asahi to be usable as a daily driver, my next laptop will probably run Apple silicon.
  - Aldo_MX 4y ago
    > You can't maximize a window or make it take up half the screen Yeah, the first thing I do when I get a new Mac is to install some tools to make the experience less annoying. AltTab: https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ Rectangle: https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/ Dato: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dato/id1470584107 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dato/id1470584107 Caffeine: https://www.caffeine-app.net/ https://www.caffeine-app.net/ Paragon NTFS Driver (free for Seagate disks): https://www.seagate.com/support/software/paragon/ https://www.seagate.com/support/software/paragon/ -- In my own experience, I found out GNOME 40+ to be more polished UI-wise than MacOS. I was really surprised when I installed Fedora Silverblue the first time. And also I'm a bit upset that MacOS seems to have stalled, and when Apple adds changes is to make it look more and more like iOS.
    - sliken 4y ago
      I hate the idea of requiring 6 random binaries from 6 random companies just to get the basics working like tabbing windows, resizing windows, and reading drives. Doubly so when they are closed source and free. How are the developers making the money? Are they community supported somehow, maybe patreon? Are they tracking you? Inlining ads to your desktop? Who is paying for their apple devel tools or apple store ID? As the saying goes, if the app is free, you are the product that company is selling Imagine supporting 100 mac users, each with 6 random binaries installed.
  - daaaaaaan 4y ago
    Mouse over the green window button, hold down option and you can maximize, and tile to the left/right of the screen.
- malermeister 4y ago
  * poor window management * no built-in package manager * low hackability/customizability * constant code signing prompts with 3rd party software, my OS is fighting me trying to use software * constant prompts to please finally sign into icloud * deprecated OpenGL * general handholding in the OS getting in the way
NexRebular 4y ago
Can't wait indeed, they will be excellent BSD machines when all is said and done.

kouteiheika 4y ago

With all due respect, no offense, but I find comments like this a little bit disrespectful. These are a couple of volunteers, working for free, and you're saying that it'd be better for them to volunteer their time for the benefit of a huge trillion dollar corporation and work on something that the aforementioned corporation explicitly does not want (but could very easily do itself).

DeathArrow 4y ago

Mail Apple and ask for Vulkan support.