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> For one unfamiliar with the domain, this can take hours or a full day Yes, I did say expert. > But several times slower still than GPT. Almost all the out

> For one unfamiliar with the domain, this can take hours or a full day Yes, I did say expert. > But several times slower still than GPT. Almost all the output needs to be re-read, modified and integrated in the project. This often takes longer than just typing it out, even from docs -- because you're still forced to think through the solution -- which is most of the time. Typing is quick

coldtea 4y ago
>Almost all the output needs to be re-read, modified and integrated in the project. This often takes longer than just typing it out You'd be very suprised. Try measuring it.
- mjburgess 4y ago
  Yes, I have. That's largely why I've stopped using it. The time it's taken to rewrite has been larger than not; and worse, it deprives me of understanding the problem i'm solving. So I end up not having thought through the problem and basically having to press delete and type from scratch.
  - quonn 4y ago
    I found it useful for writing unit tests, which really is a stupid brain dead code monkey task.
    - maaanu 4y ago
      Really? For me it could not generate meaning full tests, even for the simplest react-components. E.g. it tried to test the display of an error-message in a field in a form. The error message was basically "this is field is required and can't be empty.". It tried to test that, by inserting valid data into the field...
      - deeviant 4y ago
        To be fair, many human software engineers can't generate meaningful tests.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  People don't have to love using it you know? If the guy doesn't like it, why force it down his neck? I use plenty of code completion tools already, so I feel similar to them. Sometimes it saves me time, sometimes it doesn't. For me personally, language servers have been the best thing, you can explore libraries, auto-complete nicely, without as the other poster said, worrying about verifying the correctness.
  - coldtea 4y ago
    >People don't have to love using it you know? If the guy doesn't like it, why force it down his neck? It's not about feelings. It's about there being a thing, in objective reality, with some specific merit, and we're trying to evaluate what it is with some accuracy. Whether someone enjoys it or not is beside the point.

coldtea 4y ago

>Almost all the output needs to be re-read, modified and integrated in the project. This often takes longer than just typing it out You'd be very suprised. Try measuring it.

mjburgess 4y ago
Yes, I have. That's largely why I've stopped using it. The time it's taken to rewrite has been larger than not; and worse, it deprives me of understanding the problem i'm solving. So I end up not having thought through the problem and basically having to press delete and type from scratch.
- quonn 4y ago
  I found it useful for writing unit tests, which really is a stupid brain dead code monkey task.
  - maaanu 4y ago
    Really? For me it could not generate meaning full tests, even for the simplest react-components. E.g. it tried to test the display of an error-message in a field in a form. The error message was basically "this is field is required and can't be empty.". It tried to test that, by inserting valid data into the field...
    - deeviant 4y ago
      To be fair, many human software engineers can't generate meaningful tests.
ChatGTP 4y ago
People don't have to love using it you know? If the guy doesn't like it, why force it down his neck? I use plenty of code completion tools already, so I feel similar to them. Sometimes it saves me time, sometimes it doesn't. For me personally, language servers have been the best thing, you can explore libraries, auto-complete nicely, without as the other poster said, worrying about verifying the correctness.
- coldtea 4y ago
  >People don't have to love using it you know? If the guy doesn't like it, why force it down his neck? It's not about feelings. It's about there being a thing, in objective reality, with some specific merit, and we're trying to evaluate what it is with some accuracy. Whether someone enjoys it or not is beside the point.