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Everything I've used ChatGPT for so far I could, more-or-less, have written or searched for myself in the time it took to get it out of chatgpt correctly. And I

Everything I've used ChatGPT for so far I could, more-or-less, have written or searched for myself in the time it took to get it out of chatgpt correctly. And I've often just had to rewrite it completely. If you're an expert (writer, programmer, etc.) it's often faster to type it as-needed than modify chatgpt's output. If you're not then either it's not reliable enough, since you do not have the expertise to modify; or the task is quite menial and you dont need reliability. So it seems to me people are reacting to this based on wild assumptions about how it works and what "other people's jobs are". It don't see it being much more than a button in a few apps that makes some menial tasks 50% shorter. People seem to be forgetting that in the vast majority of cases the thing ChatGPT is giving you is also available on stackoverflow, github, wikipeida, or 101 other high quality online sources.

bob1029 4y ago
> People seem to be forgetting that in the vast majority of cases the thing ChatGPT is giving you is also available on stackoverflow, github, wikipeida, or 101 other high quality online sources. No one is forgetting anything over here. With StackOverflow, I have to scroll through ~2 pages of bing/google trash to even begin looking at a potential solution. This is only the beginning of the process. 99% of the time, the code sample I find has some simple-yet-annoying adjustments I'd like to make (i.e. unroll the inner loop & use SIMD). Certainly, I could spend half my afternoon massaging that method on my own. Or, I could reach for the circular saw and rip through this board in a few seconds. Sure - it leaves a bit of a rough edge most of the time, but it gets you a lot closer a lot faster than anything else in my experience.
- mjburgess 4y ago
  Sure, but is turning 90min of googling into 5min + 30min of rewriting, "revolutionary" ? When you're googling and reading, you're doing the work of building your understanding. That's shifted in the GPT case to afterwards. It's an advance; it's not nothing. Does it reduce the need to actually understand what you're writing -- no. That's most of the time anyway
  - bob1029 4y ago
    > is turning 90min of googling into 5min + 30min of rewriting, "revolutionary" ? I'd say so, yes. The side effect of an arbitrary feature going from 90 minutes to 35 minutes is that I am much more likely to consider features that I'd otherwise not. I am working on a computer vision project right now that I would have never started without having this kind of access to the various algorithms. Go try to implement a sobel filter in your preferred language using traditional research, and then try it with AI assistance. I think you will start to see the light after going through a few methods like this.
coldtea 4y ago
>Everything I've used ChatGPT for so far I could, more-or-less, have written or searched for myself in the time it took to get it out of chatgpt correctly. That's not even true. For one, it can stub a whole new function or coding project, intelligently, in a few seconds after the prompt, whether it's RoR or DSP code or whatever. For one unfamiliar with the domain, this can take hours or a full day, even with examples found on Google. Heck, even looking up and understanding how to use some command line flags in a shell pipeline can need lots of looking around, even if you have been using Linux/Unix for ages. For a domain expert? They could do such things very fast. But several times slower still than GPT. Think minutes or half hour instead of seconds. Even the row typing and file creation would be some minutes. It's also very premature when people judge a service we've had for like 5 years and has already changed by leaps and bounds, as if it's the peak stage, without considering what it could be in 5 or 10, or with different variants tuned for specific tasks.
- mjburgess 4y ago
  > For one unfamiliar with the domain, this can take hours or a full day Yes, I did say expert. > But several times slower still than GPT. Almost all the output needs to be re-read, modified and integrated in the project. This often takes longer than just typing it out, even from docs -- because you're still forced to think through the solution -- which is most of the time. Typing is quick
  - coldtea 4y ago
    >Almost all the output needs to be re-read, modified and integrated in the project. This often takes longer than just typing it out You'd be very suprised. Try measuring it.
    - mjburgess 4y ago
      Yes, I have. That's largely why I've stopped using it. The time it's taken to rewrite has been larger than not; and worse, it deprives me of understanding the problem i'm solving. So I end up not having thought through the problem and basically having to press delete and type from scratch.

bob1029 4y ago

> People seem to be forgetting that in the vast majority of cases the thing ChatGPT is giving you is also available on stackoverflow, github, wikipeida, or 101 other high quality online sources. No one is forgetting anything over here. With StackOverflow, I have to scroll through ~2 pages of bing/google trash to even begin looking at a potential solution. This is only the beginning of the process. 99% of the time, the code sample I find has some simple-yet-annoying adjustments I'd like to make (i.e. unroll the inner loop & use SIMD). Certainly, I could spend half my afternoon massaging that method on my own. Or, I could reach for the circular saw and rip through this board in a few seconds. Sure - it leaves a bit of a rough edge most of the time, but it gets you a lot closer a lot faster than anything else in my experience.

mjburgess 4y ago
Sure, but is turning 90min of googling into 5min + 30min of rewriting, "revolutionary" ? When you're googling and reading, you're doing the work of building your understanding. That's shifted in the GPT case to afterwards. It's an advance; it's not nothing. Does it reduce the need to actually understand what you're writing -- no. That's most of the time anyway
- bob1029 4y ago
  > is turning 90min of googling into 5min + 30min of rewriting, "revolutionary" ? I'd say so, yes. The side effect of an arbitrary feature going from 90 minutes to 35 minutes is that I am much more likely to consider features that I'd otherwise not. I am working on a computer vision project right now that I would have never started without having this kind of access to the various algorithms. Go try to implement a sobel filter in your preferred language using traditional research, and then try it with AI assistance. I think you will start to see the light after going through a few methods like this.

coldtea 4y ago

>Everything I've used ChatGPT for so far I could, more-or-less, have written or searched for myself in the time it took to get it out of chatgpt correctly. That's not even true. For one, it can stub a whole new function or coding project, intelligently, in a few seconds after the prompt, whether it's RoR or DSP code or whatever. For one unfamiliar with the domain, this can take hours or a full day, even with examples found on Google. Heck, even looking up and understanding how to use some command line flags in a shell pipeline can need lots of looking around, even if you have been using Linux/Unix for ages. For a domain expert? They could do such things very fast. But several times slower still than GPT. Think minutes or half hour instead of seconds. Even the row typing and file creation would be some minutes. It's also very premature when people judge a service we've had for like 5 years and has already changed by leaps and bounds, as if it's the peak stage, without considering what it could be in 5 or 10, or with different variants tuned for specific tasks.

mjburgess 4y ago
> For one unfamiliar with the domain, this can take hours or a full day Yes, I did say expert. > But several times slower still than GPT. Almost all the output needs to be re-read, modified and integrated in the project. This often takes longer than just typing it out, even from docs -- because you're still forced to think through the solution -- which is most of the time. Typing is quick
- coldtea 4y ago
  >Almost all the output needs to be re-read, modified and integrated in the project. This often takes longer than just typing it out You'd be very suprised. Try measuring it.
  - mjburgess 4y ago
    Yes, I have. That's largely why I've stopped using it. The time it's taken to rewrite has been larger than not; and worse, it deprives me of understanding the problem i'm solving. So I end up not having thought through the problem and basically having to press delete and type from scratch.