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I have a cynical view (sorry) that labor will always be cheap somewhere. It's part of the globalization machine, there will always be a decline somewhere, and i

I have a cynical view (sorry) that labor will always be cheap somewhere. It's part of the globalization machine, there will always be a decline somewhere, and if there isn't, one will be created.

akira2501 4y ago
This view seems inconsistent. Artificial manipulation is not sustainable in the long term. The ability to continually create conditions that lead to cheap labor is limited and will eventually fail.
- auggierose 4y ago
  With AI+capital on the manipulating side I am not sure there are any limits.
  - akira2501 4y ago
    AI is not magic, neither is capital for that matter. To perform any function in the world, it needs some type of physical form or device to do so. These devices take capital to manufacture and maintain. They're also vulnerable to intentional damage. There are obvious limits.
    - auggierose 4y ago
      Capital = physical AI = control of how to wield the Capital and defend against intentional damage What are the obvious limits?
- layer8 4y ago
  On the contrary, it seems that increase of income inequality is a natural trend.
  - akira2501 4y ago
    Since when? 40 years ago? Yes. 400 years ago? Hardly.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  What artificial manipulation?
  - akira2501 4y ago
    Are you saying that you presume the inequality is the natural state of things? What are you basing that on? A world with governments and corporations that are capable of squashing the populace? Do you ever wonder what influence this has?
flextheruler 4y ago
I’m not sure it’s globalization. There will always be rich countries and poorer countries. Like there will always be poor people and rich people. The gap may and should shrink between the two but not vanish.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  And if there is not, we either have global poverty or a tremendous amount of force applied to the distribution of wealth.
abstractbeliefs 4y ago
China's Belt and Road Initiative suggests that they view the under-developed Middle East and African nations to be the next in line, the same as the US viewed China as a source of cheap labour. The party has been making deep investments into the regions and is developing significant political and social capital at the same time that the West is retreating from them, cutting foreign aid, etc.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  > China's Belt and Road Initiative suggests that they view the under-developed Middle East and African nations to be the next in line, the same as the US viewed China as a I think it’s more “want” than “see.” They might see Vietnam as next in line but outsourcing to ME and Africa suit their interests better.

I have a cynical view (sorry) that labor will always be cheap somewhere. It's part of the globalization machine, there will always be a decline somewhere, and if there isn't, one will be created.

akira2501 4y ago

This view seems inconsistent. Artificial manipulation is not sustainable in the long term. The ability to continually create conditions that lead to cheap labor is limited and will eventually fail.

auggierose 4y ago
With AI+capital on the manipulating side I am not sure there are any limits.
- akira2501 4y ago
  AI is not magic, neither is capital for that matter. To perform any function in the world, it needs some type of physical form or device to do so. These devices take capital to manufacture and maintain. They're also vulnerable to intentional damage. There are obvious limits.
  - auggierose 4y ago
    Capital = physical AI = control of how to wield the Capital and defend against intentional damage What are the obvious limits?
layer8 4y ago
On the contrary, it seems that increase of income inequality is a natural trend.
- akira2501 4y ago
  Since when? 40 years ago? Yes. 400 years ago? Hardly.
nonethewiser 4y ago
What artificial manipulation?
- akira2501 4y ago
  Are you saying that you presume the inequality is the natural state of things? What are you basing that on? A world with governments and corporations that are capable of squashing the populace? Do you ever wonder what influence this has?

flextheruler 4y ago

I’m not sure it’s globalization. There will always be rich countries and poorer countries. Like there will always be poor people and rich people. The gap may and should shrink between the two but not vanish.

nonethewiser 4y ago
And if there is not, we either have global poverty or a tremendous amount of force applied to the distribution of wealth.

abstractbeliefs 4y ago

China's Belt and Road Initiative suggests that they view the under-developed Middle East and African nations to be the next in line, the same as the US viewed China as a source of cheap labour. The party has been making deep investments into the regions and is developing significant political and social capital at the same time that the West is retreating from them, cutting foreign aid, etc.

nonethewiser 4y ago
> China's Belt and Road Initiative suggests that they view the under-developed Middle East and African nations to be the next in line, the same as the US viewed China as a I think it’s more “want” than “see.” They might see Vietnam as next in line but outsourcing to ME and Africa suit their interests better.