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> without some sort of extra verification it’ll soon be impossible to tell whether audio/video sample is authentic This is true and has been true for some time
by unsupp0rted 4y ago
> without some sort of extra verification it’ll soon be impossible to tell whether audio/video sample is authentic
This is true and has been true for some time.
The general public hears a clip and condemns a man on that basis, without asking for context.
I'm hoping this revolution will cause a shift. An audio clip or a video clip, much less a screenshotted reply on social media, will be widely considered meaningless unless a string of contextual evidence is provided alongside it.
Wishful thinking? Probably.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y agoMaybe not so much wishful as ... it will happen but not anywhere soon enough.
- twodave 4y agoIMO the difference is eventually it's going to be a lot more difficult to spot. There's a gulf of difference between someone doing a deep-fake of Elon Musk and fooling some people (but not everyone, and certainly not any rigorous analysis) and being able to accurately fake your children or co-workers based on a minimal data-set. I think that's the world we're headed towards.
- ericd 4y agoRight, and the logical conclusion is that we won't be able to trust recordings, or phone calls. Maybe we'll have to digitally sign our communications with our hardware keys.
- tenpies 4y ago[flagged]
- CTDOCodebases 4y agoI’m doubtful. Even now when the clip is available the clip will not be linked to and the reader is left to trust the cherry picked assertions of the journalist writing the article.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 4y ago> The general public hears a clip and condemns a man on that basis Hell, you can write down a paraphrase of what you've heard that someone said, and people will condemn them.
- incompatible 4y agoWhy bother waiting to hear something, just make something up.
- DennisP 4y agoSeems like some of this is technically solvable if we want. Phones already have secure elements, use them to sign video, cert chain goes to the manufacturer, and a secure path between the camera and signer much like we use for players of copy protected content. Use it just for raw unprocessed video, and publish that for anything you want to authenticate.
- ChatGTP 4y agoI know this sound paranoid, but how do you know someone hasn't used ChatGPT-20 to hack the encryption used and that the video is "real". What about how dire the consequences when this happens and the clip is America declaring war on China, but it's really fake and it's hard to prove? We're entering some dangerous times for information.
- DennisP 4y agoBecause we use cryptography that's withstood attacks by legions of cryptographers, and ChatGPT barely does arithmetic. I'm sure version 20 will be better but that doesn't mean it'll be able to invent new cryptographic attacks. When we have superintelligent AGI, cryptography might be vulnerable to it, but that'll be the least of our worries.