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The holocaust is not necessarily unique as an instance of ethnic cleansing or genocide. But it was unique in that it was the first instance of industrialized g

The holocaust is not necessarily unique as an instance of ethnic cleansing or genocide. But it was unique in that it was the first instance of industrialized genocide, and was carried out with a degree of bureaucratic process and precision not often observed. Thus it generated a volume of documentation that gives unique insight into how humans might be capable of these sort of atrocities against their neighbors. Something similar exists for slavery (and Jim Crow) in the US, but we as a nation do not have the fortitude to confront our past in a way the Germans have.

evv555 4y ago
>Something similar exists for slavery (and Jim Crow) in the US, but we as a nation do not have the fortitude to confront our past in a way the Germans have. Germans have no such fortitude. It was imposed on them through a victory that cost tens of millions of lives. Even then for many Germans its a surface level confrontation for the sake of political correctness.
cultofmetatron 4y ago
It was the biggest genocide committed against white people in recent memory. people in general dont' care about what happens to black people (beligan congo, rwanada), cambodians (kumir ruge), or palestinians (witheld to avoid being downvotes to oblivion). closest thing we can get to a genocide/culturcide of a people currently that anyone in teh west cares about is the uighurs and thats mostly just a half hearted straw grasp to justify anti china sentiments.
- meany 4y ago
  What do you think countries did differently in the 1930s-1940s to help Nazi victims that they’re not doing for these other cases of genocide? I doubt the Allied countries would have done anymore to stop it then we do today, if they hadn’t been forced into war by the Axis. Race has much less to do about the lack of action then the enormous cost of action. I think where race does play in is not just the ethnicity of the victims but also the ethnicity and perceived civility of the perpetrators, prior to the war. Germany was a liberal democracy that turned to unimaginable darkness. You don’t see the same reaction to the Soviet Gulags, which killed more people, because the Soviets were already viewed as brutal.
  - comfypotato 4y ago
    This isn’t correct. Your statement regarding gulag numbers being higher comes from Maier’s report and is generally refuted. The death rates in the gulags were much lower than Maier reported. The gulags did contain many more prisoners than the holocaust camps. [1] The holocaust is the world’s go-to genocide because it has by far the largest rate of death and has the highest total death count. It was also carried out by a relatively small country. Auschwitz’s last year saw more than 1M deaths. [1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/152781 https://www.jstor.org/stable/152781 Sorry for the JSTOR paywall if you don’t have access to an institution. Perhaps you can find it elsewhere. The first two tables compare the total deaths (and also deaths over time) between the holocaust camps and the gulags.
    - cafard 4y ago
      That relatively small country found plenty of its victims outside its borders.

evv555 4y ago

>Something similar exists for slavery (and Jim Crow) in the US, but we as a nation do not have the fortitude to confront our past in a way the Germans have. Germans have no such fortitude. It was imposed on them through a victory that cost tens of millions of lives. Even then for many Germans its a surface level confrontation for the sake of political correctness.

cultofmetatron 4y ago

It was the biggest genocide committed against white people in recent memory. people in general dont' care about what happens to black people (beligan congo, rwanada), cambodians (kumir ruge), or palestinians (witheld to avoid being downvotes to oblivion). closest thing we can get to a genocide/culturcide of a people currently that anyone in teh west cares about is the uighurs and thats mostly just a half hearted straw grasp to justify anti china sentiments.

meany 4y ago
What do you think countries did differently in the 1930s-1940s to help Nazi victims that they’re not doing for these other cases of genocide? I doubt the Allied countries would have done anymore to stop it then we do today, if they hadn’t been forced into war by the Axis. Race has much less to do about the lack of action then the enormous cost of action. I think where race does play in is not just the ethnicity of the victims but also the ethnicity and perceived civility of the perpetrators, prior to the war. Germany was a liberal democracy that turned to unimaginable darkness. You don’t see the same reaction to the Soviet Gulags, which killed more people, because the Soviets were already viewed as brutal.
- comfypotato 4y ago
  This isn’t correct. Your statement regarding gulag numbers being higher comes from Maier’s report and is generally refuted. The death rates in the gulags were much lower than Maier reported. The gulags did contain many more prisoners than the holocaust camps. [1] The holocaust is the world’s go-to genocide because it has by far the largest rate of death and has the highest total death count. It was also carried out by a relatively small country. Auschwitz’s last year saw more than 1M deaths. [1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/152781 https://www.jstor.org/stable/152781 Sorry for the JSTOR paywall if you don’t have access to an institution. Perhaps you can find it elsewhere. The first two tables compare the total deaths (and also deaths over time) between the holocaust camps and the gulags.
  - cafard 4y ago
    That relatively small country found plenty of its victims outside its borders.