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> It would seem we live in a world where it's simply too difficult, too unfordable, too little time, and too many problems to have children at a rate These re

> It would seem we live in a world where it's simply too difficult, too unfordable, too little time, and too many problems to have children at a rate These reasons are a lie. The parents of boomers had less disposable income than we do, they were living in a generation devastated by war(s) and they had very much longer working hours that we do now. We have just decided that we don't want to have children, it's not because of external factors.

swexbe 4y ago
It’s both much more expensive and more time consuming to have a child today compared to <60s.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  more expensive compared to what? You have to compare with the median income of people before the 60s too, which was a fraction of what we earn today.
  - trilbyglens 4y ago
    Just ask any parent anywhere how much daycare costs. In the 60s most women stayed home with kids for many years, whereas now very few do that. 6 weeks maternity leave is a complete joke.
  - swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
    What about expenses? Health care, home ownership, education, child care are extremely expensive. Only the upper middle class can afford some of these items.
imtringued 4y ago
Wars and natural disasters destroy NIMBY gerontocracy. Burning down a city means that the people are no longer concerned with opposing incremental change. The construction process is trivial so the city will quickly grow to what is actually necessary to support its population. The current generation of youth and working young adults feels abandoned and unecessary, why put more abandoned and unecessary people on this planet? The shrinking population is only a problem for old people, who themselves benefit from a shrinking population right now.
- ianai 4y ago
  “current generation of youth and working young adults feels abandoned and unecessary,” Graduating into the GR and being unable to find decent work for 10 years sure did this to me. I did find a job around year 4.5, and was treated like absolute garbage at best and outright targeted and bullied at worst. Then there’s that 4.5 year period after the GR where homes were empty and homeless everywhere. Yeah, not hard for me to imagine why people aren’t having kids. Short story, don’t bail out banks and push people onto the streets. Edit-way I see it, I’d need a market valuation on my personally held assets of $3 million that I knew would grow at least 5% per annum before I’d think about a kid. Or a stable lifestyle with similarity to that.

swexbe 4y ago

It’s both much more expensive and more time consuming to have a child today compared to <60s.

ekianjo 4y ago
more expensive compared to what? You have to compare with the median income of people before the 60s too, which was a fraction of what we earn today.
- trilbyglens 4y ago
  Just ask any parent anywhere how much daycare costs. In the 60s most women stayed home with kids for many years, whereas now very few do that. 6 weeks maternity leave is a complete joke.
- swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
  What about expenses? Health care, home ownership, education, child care are extremely expensive. Only the upper middle class can afford some of these items.

imtringued 4y ago

Wars and natural disasters destroy NIMBY gerontocracy. Burning down a city means that the people are no longer concerned with opposing incremental change. The construction process is trivial so the city will quickly grow to what is actually necessary to support its population. The current generation of youth and working young adults feels abandoned and unecessary, why put more abandoned and unecessary people on this planet? The shrinking population is only a problem for old people, who themselves benefit from a shrinking population right now.

ianai 4y ago
“current generation of youth and working young adults feels abandoned and unecessary,” Graduating into the GR and being unable to find decent work for 10 years sure did this to me. I did find a job around year 4.5, and was treated like absolute garbage at best and outright targeted and bullied at worst. Then there’s that 4.5 year period after the GR where homes were empty and homeless everywhere. Yeah, not hard for me to imagine why people aren’t having kids. Short story, don’t bail out banks and push people onto the streets. Edit-way I see it, I’d need a market valuation on my personally held assets of $3 million that I knew would grow at least 5% per annum before I’d think about a kid. Or a stable lifestyle with similarity to that.