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TSA confirms plans to mandate mug shots for domestic air travel
- sacnoradhq 4y agoBtw, you should skip, hobble on a crutch, take a wheelchair, or do a zombie sway in an airport rather than walk normally because your gain contains a biometric signature.
- downrightmike 4y agoSo a domestic passport
- indigodaddy 4y agoFinally catching up to 1984
- rs999gti 4y agoVoters and citizens should blame themselves.
- PraetorianGourd 4y agoSo not mug shots. Using dramatic language ruins your argument when reality doesn’t live up to the drama.
- tsuujin 4y agoIt’s literally a mug shot, a photograph (shot) of your face (mug) for official record. For the express purpose of identification by a law enforcement agency, no less.
- tedunangst 4y agoIt's kinda unusual to refer to one's drivers license photo as a mug shot nonironcially.
- killalllfaggots 4y ago[dead]
- UncleEntity 4y ago> Travelers who volunteer to use the new system are directed to insert their drivers license, ID card, or passport into the appropriate reader, stand on a marked spot in front of the webcam, and remove their face mask, so that the image from the ID (or, more likely, from some back-end image database linked to the ID, although that hasn’t been disclosed) and the image from the webcam can be compared by some undisclosed algorithm. So… mugshots.
- PraetorianGourd 4y agoRight in the most literal interpretation of the term, there is alignment. In other news, I can’t believe the yearbook committee wanted to take mugshots of my kid! As you can see, there is what something colloquially means, and what something literally means. But I know you know that
- outside1234 4y agoWhy? It is never clear in the article - what is going to be better with mug shots?
- bediger4000 4y agoDo you still take your shoes off at the airport? How many shoe bombers does this catch every day? Do you go through the nude-atron at the airport? How many underwear bombers does this catch every day?
- neonate 4y agohttp://web.archive.org/web/20230318041602/https://papersplease.org/wp/2023/03/15/tsa-confirms-plans-to-mandate-mug-shots-for-domestic-air-travel/ http://web.archive.org/web/20230318041602/https://papersplea...
- tayo42 4y agoWhy is my tax money going to pointless shit like this. Why is going on a plane different then a train or bus?
- Madmallard 4y agoworld trade center
- refulgentis 4y agoKinetic energy is the product of mass and the square of velocity, so the energy of a plan is a few orders of magnitude greater than a bus. Train is on rails
- vkou 4y ago> Why is my tax money going to pointless shit like this. Because something must be done, this is something, so we are doing it. Also, less flippantly, because the TSA has been pushing for REAL-ID for the past 20 years, and every year, the required adoption date for it has been pushed back by a year. I believe the current 'deadline' is May 2025 (Pushed back from May 2023). There's no national id, and not all states are in compliance with their mandates, so they are de-facto building their own.
- killalllfaggots 4y ago[dead]
- AlotOfReading 4y agoThey have only themselves to blame for many of the issues with REAL-ID. The mandatory requirements are onerous and worse, they were repeatedly changed and miscommunicated with state programs. CA ended cancelling millions of previously issued ids a few years back. Thankfully mine wasn't one of them because I've never been able to sufficiently prove where I reside with any combination of passports, voter registration cards, and online utility bills to the satisfaction of random DMV employees.
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- janalsncm 4y ago> you do have the right to opt of facial imaging at TSA checkpoints I’m curious as to whether the author has put any thought into how practical this advice is. My plane takes off in an hour. What does this “right” entail? 1. Not going to jail for refusing to get a biometric scan, or 2. Getting into a long argument with TSA where I point to the specific subsections that say I don’t need to comply with having my picture taken again, lose the argument and don’t go to jail, or 3. Part 2 but I win the argument and don’t go to jail My point isn’t that rights aren’t important. My point is that it’s silly to expect normal people to be able to articulate the law in the heat of the moment. These things need to be ironed out long before then, because my revealed preference of not wanting to miss my connection is frankly a lot more important than my revealed preference of not having my picture taken.
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- tedunangst 4y agoMy experience opting out of body scanners, contrary to internet tales, is that it's rarely longer than the normal line, and sometimes even faster.
- marssaxman 4y agoWhat do you mean by "the normal line", and how is it possible for the patdown process to be faster? I have never gone through a TSA body scanner, but I go through the same security line as everyone else, and there's always a short wait for the TSA to call someone up for the "assist". I wonder what you're doing differently.
- defnotarobot 4y agoTrue story, though a fair amount intimate.
- Espressosaurus 4y agoI've found it's rarely faster, but usually not too much slower. You do get to let your shit hang out for awhile on the other side though, and I never like leaving expensive laptops and cellphones and wallets just lying there indefinitely. Also greater chance you get a false positive on the swab and that will blow your schedule as they tear apart all your luggage looking for a bomb or gun that doesn't exist. That easily chews half an hour if you're lucky.
- killalllfaggots 4y ago[dead]
- hobabaObama 4y agoCriminals will find a way to dodge. Only law abiding citizens will have to bear a brunt of added procedures
- rs999gti 4y agoIsn't this true for all laws? If law without punishment was all that was required to make people comply, then there would be no prisons, capital punishment, fines, etc.
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- pengaru 4y agoOn the plus side this will at least further discourage use of planes for domestic travel... We really need development of HSR across the US. Maybe if they make flying miserable enough we can actually make some progress on that front.
- acidburnNSA 4y agoAfter a few train hijackings or whatever I'm sure we'll need mugshots to ride it too.
- JimmyAustin 4y agoGiven that it’s hard to hijack a train and put it on a course for Cuba, I don’t think train hijackings are a real threat.
- olliej 4y agoThe TSA was born out of 9/11 - prior to 9/11 the assumption was “we’re been taken to Cuba” and so no one fought back until it was sadly too late. In the post-9/11 world people aren’t going to just silently wait for rescue, and the core threat (the ability to enter the cockpit) has been stopped. Hijacking a plane to go somewhere (at least in US airspace) isn’t going to work. So any attack will be terrorism. Assuming something planned (as 9/11 was) you can “easily” kill a lot of people with a train - as numerous accidental derailments have demonstrated.
- pengaru 4y agoIf trains could sprout wings and become guided missiles sure... but passenger HSR is fairly constrained in its destructive/terrorism potential compared to jets.
- olliej 4y agoThe reason 9/11 was possible was that pre 9/11 passengers on aircraft were expected to cooperate a wait for authorities and hostage negotiators. Post 9/11 that’s not a thing that people will allow happen, but now even if they did, breaking into cockpits is essentially not possible - as evidenced by the pilot murder/suicides that now require at least two people in the cockpit at all times. The most common reason for guns and threats of gun usage on flights in the last decade of us flights have been us air marshals getting in arguments, or simply leaving their guns lying around aircraft. The TSA theater is BS that has nothing to do with making people safer, so the existence of an actual threat isn’t relevant.
- fwlr 4y agoUnsurprising. Facial recognition has been good enough for a few years now to check all these photos against arbitrarily large databases.
- rektide 4y agoUgh what a constant sad reminder of America becoming cowards & letting a new police state loser-dom emerge after September 11th. A sad sorry institution which will always only ever demand more, will further perpetrate demands against the individual, and never ever face real meaningful pushback against their infinite hunger to intrude. Shitty shitty embarrassing part of American history, like the whole sad "homeland security" complex which has done nothing, is nothing, protects nothing, but ever encroaches.
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- rs999gti 4y agoThis is why voters should not support any law maker that makes or votes for feel good legislation following any tragedy.
- sacnoradhq 4y agoVoting is meaningless if the system is only able to produce lawmakers who do the bidding of the ultra rich (and the corporations they own). There can be no revolution against this without a peaceful march of 1M's or 10M's.
- lacker 4y agoIt would be great if they could figure out a way to stop air travel crime that's fast, and stop doing the parts that take forever like taking off your shoes or removing things from your backpack. Go ahead, scan my face, biometric everything, spy on every square inch of the airport and the luggage, just hurry up.
- ectospheno 4y agoYou already give them a photo id when you go through the security line. This can already be correlated with the numerous cameras filming you go through the line. This privacy train left the station long ago. If TSA wants their own pic to feel important then whatever.
- TheNewsIsHere 4y agoFrom my very core I take exception to this kind of thing. And this is one reason why tools like the OMB control numbers are important. From a purely pragmatic, devil’s advocate perspective though, I did arguably give up my “facial privacy” the moment I mailed off a passport application. Now, that’s no reason to refine the government’s corpus of facial recognition data for me. At the same time if my face is already in a federal database does it make sense to not embrace the potential for increased throughout at airport security?
- crooozin 4y agoLast time I checked, getting on an airplane was a private transaction between the airline and me. Either party can back out- the airline can refuse you as a customer, and I can no show. As far as I’m concerned, this isn’t so much about TSA per se, but me using the services of a for-profit company. If they want to demand that I do something, and I still want to use their services after stated , then I do the “something.” I don’t feel my rights are being trampled on here, at all. It’s really hard to go to Japan in a car. The TSA, although a federal government institution, ultimately will follow the money. If enough people no show because of these requirements, I would bet they’d become different. I, for one, don’t mind. Call me a sheeple, call me whatever you want, but sashimi is better there than here, sooooo…… My point: you DO have rights. You also have choice. What you do with those rights and choices… Is up to you.I am in violent agreement with janalsncm