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Employees who were hired remote and have no office within a reasonable distance should absolutely force Amazon to terminate their employment so they can collect

Employees who were hired remote and have no office within a reasonable distance should absolutely force Amazon to terminate their employment so they can collect unemployment. Amazon is the one forcing the significant change in employment terms, so employees shouldn't do them a favor and resign if they don't have another job lined up yet.

swader999 4y ago
Yes! It's called constructive dismissal in Canada, not sure about other jurisdictions.
- ghaff 4y ago
  But probably requires paying lawyers etc. which may or may not be worth it.
  - throw_nbvc1234 4y ago
    If you have a job lined up no. If you're going to be job hunting wouldn't you get backdated unemployment even if you had the savings to live without it?
    - ghaff 4y ago
      For context, depending on the state, unemployment can be a few hundred dollars per week. So you might cover the costs of your lawyer. No idea of the answer to your question as there's also an assumption you're looking for employment while unemployed and may be ongoing documentation requirements.
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        Depending on your state, hiring a lawyer might not be necessary. In at least one state, the employment division takes violations of employment contracts very seriously and will go to court on your behalf if the violation is egregious enough. And in all states, you don't have to have a lawyer to bring a case. These are civil cases, and you can represent yourself. You're trading time for money in that situation, of course, and there's a learning curve you need to mount.
notyourwork 4y ago
Employees who were hired remote can remain remote. Not all employees hired during covid were classified as such. Employees were also able to request exemption from the return to office policy.
- macinjosh 4y ago
  I am curious where this is coming from because TFA implies that this policy applies to people who were hired remote. What is the actual distinction between those who have to RTO and those that do not? > Many employees accepted offers from Amazon with the understanding that their position will be full remote.
  - notyourwork 4y ago
    Some employees hired during covid were explicitly classified as virtual. Some were given a location and said you don't have to come to office but if you did have an office it would be in <city>. It's made very clear when hired so anyone saying otherwise missed a subtle detail.
    - Sebb767 4y ago
      > It's made very clear when hired so anyone saying otherwise missed a subtle detail. That's an oxymoron, either it was made very clear or it was subtle and therefore not very clear at all.
      - dcow 4y ago
        Not really. People also willingly overlook things hoping for a different reality. It’s a pretty human thing to do.
        Sebb767 4y ago
        Yes, but that's not the point I was arguing with. Either it was made very clear (and people choose to overlook it despite it being hard to miss) or it was a subtle detail (that people easily missed, quite possibly unintentionally). Both can't be true at the same time.
funstuff007 4y ago
So tell me Johnny, why did you leave Amazon? My boss told me to go back to office, and I said no f'ing way--fire me! And they did. Probably not a great conversation to have on your next interview.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  It seems fine if the new job you're interviewing for is remote-only. It's also fine if you're interviewing for a company local to you, there's no Amazon location anywhere nearby, and you were fired for refusing to relocate.

swader999 4y ago

Yes! It's called constructive dismissal in Canada, not sure about other jurisdictions.

ghaff 4y ago
But probably requires paying lawyers etc. which may or may not be worth it.
- throw_nbvc1234 4y ago
  If you have a job lined up no. If you're going to be job hunting wouldn't you get backdated unemployment even if you had the savings to live without it?
  - ghaff 4y ago
    For context, depending on the state, unemployment can be a few hundred dollars per week. So you might cover the costs of your lawyer. No idea of the answer to your question as there's also an assumption you're looking for employment while unemployed and may be ongoing documentation requirements.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      Depending on your state, hiring a lawyer might not be necessary. In at least one state, the employment division takes violations of employment contracts very seriously and will go to court on your behalf if the violation is egregious enough. And in all states, you don't have to have a lawyer to bring a case. These are civil cases, and you can represent yourself. You're trading time for money in that situation, of course, and there's a learning curve you need to mount.

notyourwork 4y ago

Employees who were hired remote can remain remote. Not all employees hired during covid were classified as such. Employees were also able to request exemption from the return to office policy.

macinjosh 4y ago
I am curious where this is coming from because TFA implies that this policy applies to people who were hired remote. What is the actual distinction between those who have to RTO and those that do not? > Many employees accepted offers from Amazon with the understanding that their position will be full remote.
- notyourwork 4y ago
  Some employees hired during covid were explicitly classified as virtual. Some were given a location and said you don't have to come to office but if you did have an office it would be in <city>. It's made very clear when hired so anyone saying otherwise missed a subtle detail.
  - Sebb767 4y ago
    > It's made very clear when hired so anyone saying otherwise missed a subtle detail. That's an oxymoron, either it was made very clear or it was subtle and therefore not very clear at all.
    - dcow 4y ago
      Not really. People also willingly overlook things hoping for a different reality. It’s a pretty human thing to do.
      - Sebb767 4y ago
        Yes, but that's not the point I was arguing with. Either it was made very clear (and people choose to overlook it despite it being hard to miss) or it was a subtle detail (that people easily missed, quite possibly unintentionally). Both can't be true at the same time.

funstuff007 4y ago

So tell me Johnny, why did you leave Amazon? My boss told me to go back to office, and I said no f'ing way--fire me! And they did. Probably not a great conversation to have on your next interview.

midoridensha 4y ago
It seems fine if the new job you're interviewing for is remote-only. It's also fine if you're interviewing for a company local to you, there's no Amazon location anywhere nearby, and you were fired for refusing to relocate.