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lost me at 'leftist extremism' imma need some examples.

by sleepybrett 4y ago

wnevets 4y ago
They probably banned him for saying certain words, shall we guess which words?
tempsy 4y ago
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- jedberg 4y ago
  > This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it. Oh no, they bowed to people whose livelihoods depend on staying healthy and realized that masks actually do help when everyone wears them.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Hell, I kinda wish we'd kept it up everywhere. Not having anyone in my house get so much as the flu for about 2.5 years was kinda awesome. I think we had a single mild cold go through our house, that entire time.
  - misssocrates 4y ago
    How so? There's no evidence for that with respect to respiratory viruses. > Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence). https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD...
    - notbuyingit 4y ago
      And googling the key line there reveals a full page of Google results with articles explaining how both the initial assumptions and methodology was flawed. It was surprising even to me how easy it was to find rebuttals. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/yes-masks-reduce-risk-spreading-covid-despite-review-saying-they-dont https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/yes-masks-reduce-risk-spre... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochrane-study.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochra... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/16/cochrane-study-masks-covid-pandemic/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/16/cochrane-... At least, unlike the other person in this thread, you didn't do the gaslighty thing of acting like 'we all know' masks don't work.
      - timr 4y ago
        Speaking as someone who actually has an advanced degree in science and understands how to read papers and interpret medical evidence (unlike Tufecki, who has literally zero scientific training or understanding of statistics) has read ~every paper on masks ever published, the "rebuttals" there are nonsense. The Cochrane review was not incorrect; it was not retracted. The "apology from Cochrane" was not about the paper itself, and they didn't say that the conclusions were wrong. The NY Times and the Washington Post and Gavi are just wrong, and they're lying. Full stop. By literally the same standards of evidence they are using ("the lower bound of the confidence interval crosses 1.0, so we can't exclude the possibility of benefit"), Ivermectin and HCQ "work" against Covid. So you either accept both claims, or you reject both. We have two political teams, each advancing separate-but-equal forms of pseudo-sciencey twaddle, and neither side is willing to admit that the actual data doesn't back their opinions: https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-mask-fiasco https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-mask-fiasco
        notbuyingit 4y ago
        Gonna go with "wearing a mask to stop particulate spread" is not separate but equal from taking horse dewormer. (And it's not an exaggeration to characterize it as such when they're literally buying drugs from farm suplly stores and injecting amounts meant for livestock over the course of a few days.) Similarly, I don't know anyone who has died from wearing a mask. This is not even to mention the numerous other studies, experiments, and demsonstartsions of all sorts of respiratory protective gear that show effectiveness against particulates smaller even than COVID-19.
  - bacchusracine 4y ago
    >masks actually do help when everyone wears them. Could I get a citation for this please? Just about every source I've seen has since admitted that masks did absolutely nothing for the purposes for which they were advised to be used.
    - hellomyguys 4y ago
      When you dig into those studies, they aren't that great either fwiw.
- wnevets 4y ago
  > This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it. Not spreading a deadly virus at a convention filled with strangers from all over the world is now considered "leftist extremism". The last 8 or so years really have done a number on people.
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- vinicky 4y ago
  The funniest part of that was how it entirely backfired, their trantrums just got more people interested in the game and pissed off at these activists. We're also seeing more people rallying behind JK Rowling these days too, perhaps after seeing through the lies and realising that, actually, she bravely put herself out there to stand up for women's rights, knowing this would make her a lightning rod for the abusers and harassers of the pro-gender movement.
- PurpleRamen 4y ago
  > Twitch was at the center of the Hogwarts Legacy game controversy because people were mad that certain streamers were playing a game because something something JK Rowling is an "anti trans TERF." And most ignored that BS. Twitch has a very loud radical left community, but I think it's also far smaller than they appear. Most people are just somewhere in the middle, with a bit more left leaning for natural reasons. After all, most people on the platform are quite young. > This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it. Cons were already a deathtrap before the pandemia. The After-Con-Flu was not just a running joke. Taking the chance and making sure that your lifehood stays healthy, seems more pragmatic than leftist to me.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    So why did not these people wanting to avoid flu in con. Do either of simple things. Not go there. Or wear proper protective gear. Like a gasmask?
redox99 4y ago
Leftist extremism: depends on your definition, but see AI generated Seinfeld banned because of a joke[1] Incel culture: I don't agree with this one, I don't think it's something widespread Softcore porn: The whole hot tub/asmr categories. Amouranth herself says she uses twitch as a billboard to get people to her onlyfans[2] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/06/nothing-forever-twitch-ban-seinfeld-parody-ai https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/06/nothing-fore... [2] https://twitter.com/jappleby/status/1597327662644858880 https://twitter.com/jappleby/status/1597327662644858880
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corbulo 4y ago
Hasan isn't an extremist?
- jkeat 4y ago
  yeah extremely reasonable
  - corbulo 4y ago
    https://kotaku.com/twitch-suspends-popular-leftist-streamer-after-controve-1837518859 https://kotaku.com/twitch-suspends-popular-leftist-streamer-...
    - jkeat 4y ago
      “We fucking fund the people who did 9/11—still, to this day. Donald Trump literally went on national television and said, ‘They bought $10 billion worth of weapons,’ so if they chop-chop-chop an American legal permanent resident, it’s OK.”
- notbuyingit 4y ago
  Sure, let's explore that. What are Hasan's extremist views? And keep in mind that I'm gonna cite Aden, Sneako, Trainwrecks, Mizkif and more in response.
  - corbulo 4y ago
    I don't care who you cite. I'm not playing some dumb 'my team' game lol He used to work for The Young Turks, hosts streams with AOC and Ilhan Omar, is quoted as saying, "On Crenshaw, Piker said, "What the fuck is wrong with this dude? Didn’t he go to war and like literally lose his eye because some mujahideen, a brave fucking soldier fucked his eye hole with their dick?" And "In the same stream, Piker criticized American foreign policy and made controversial comments relating to the September 11 attacks, including "America deserved 9/11, dude."" This is literally just skimming his wiki. Do you know anything about the guy? He's a gigantic PoS. The fact that Twitch doesn't permaban him is insane, they've banned many other people for far less.

lost me at 'leftist extremism' imma need some examples.

wnevets 4y ago

They probably banned him for saying certain words, shall we guess which words?

tempsy 4y ago

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jedberg 4y ago
> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it. Oh no, they bowed to people whose livelihoods depend on staying healthy and realized that masks actually do help when everyone wears them.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Hell, I kinda wish we'd kept it up everywhere. Not having anyone in my house get so much as the flu for about 2.5 years was kinda awesome. I think we had a single mild cold go through our house, that entire time.
- misssocrates 4y ago
  How so? There's no evidence for that with respect to respiratory viruses. > Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence). https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD...
  - notbuyingit 4y ago
    And googling the key line there reveals a full page of Google results with articles explaining how both the initial assumptions and methodology was flawed. It was surprising even to me how easy it was to find rebuttals. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/yes-masks-reduce-risk-spreading-covid-despite-review-saying-they-dont https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/yes-masks-reduce-risk-spre... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochrane-study.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochra... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/16/cochrane-study-masks-covid-pandemic/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/16/cochrane-... At least, unlike the other person in this thread, you didn't do the gaslighty thing of acting like 'we all know' masks don't work.
    - timr 4y ago
      Speaking as someone who actually has an advanced degree in science and understands how to read papers and interpret medical evidence (unlike Tufecki, who has literally zero scientific training or understanding of statistics) has read ~every paper on masks ever published, the "rebuttals" there are nonsense. The Cochrane review was not incorrect; it was not retracted. The "apology from Cochrane" was not about the paper itself, and they didn't say that the conclusions were wrong. The NY Times and the Washington Post and Gavi are just wrong, and they're lying. Full stop. By literally the same standards of evidence they are using ("the lower bound of the confidence interval crosses 1.0, so we can't exclude the possibility of benefit"), Ivermectin and HCQ "work" against Covid. So you either accept both claims, or you reject both. We have two political teams, each advancing separate-but-equal forms of pseudo-sciencey twaddle, and neither side is willing to admit that the actual data doesn't back their opinions: https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-mask-fiasco https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-mask-fiasco
      - notbuyingit 4y ago
        Gonna go with "wearing a mask to stop particulate spread" is not separate but equal from taking horse dewormer. (And it's not an exaggeration to characterize it as such when they're literally buying drugs from farm suplly stores and injecting amounts meant for livestock over the course of a few days.) Similarly, I don't know anyone who has died from wearing a mask. This is not even to mention the numerous other studies, experiments, and demsonstartsions of all sorts of respiratory protective gear that show effectiveness against particulates smaller even than COVID-19.
- bacchusracine 4y ago
  >masks actually do help when everyone wears them. Could I get a citation for this please? Just about every source I've seen has since admitted that masks did absolutely nothing for the purposes for which they were advised to be used.
  - hellomyguys 4y ago
    When you dig into those studies, they aren't that great either fwiw.
wnevets 4y ago
> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it. Not spreading a deadly virus at a convention filled with strangers from all over the world is now considered "leftist extremism". The last 8 or so years really have done a number on people.
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vinicky 4y ago
The funniest part of that was how it entirely backfired, their trantrums just got more people interested in the game and pissed off at these activists. We're also seeing more people rallying behind JK Rowling these days too, perhaps after seeing through the lies and realising that, actually, she bravely put herself out there to stand up for women's rights, knowing this would make her a lightning rod for the abusers and harassers of the pro-gender movement.
PurpleRamen 4y ago
> Twitch was at the center of the Hogwarts Legacy game controversy because people were mad that certain streamers were playing a game because something something JK Rowling is an "anti trans TERF." And most ignored that BS. Twitch has a very loud radical left community, but I think it's also far smaller than they appear. Most people are just somewhere in the middle, with a bit more left leaning for natural reasons. After all, most people on the platform are quite young. > This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it. Cons were already a deathtrap before the pandemia. The After-Con-Flu was not just a running joke. Taking the chance and making sure that your lifehood stays healthy, seems more pragmatic than leftist to me.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  So why did not these people wanting to avoid flu in con. Do either of simple things. Not go there. Or wear proper protective gear. Like a gasmask?

redox99 4y ago

Leftist extremism: depends on your definition, but see AI generated Seinfeld banned because of a joke[1] Incel culture: I don't agree with this one, I don't think it's something widespread Softcore porn: The whole hot tub/asmr categories. Amouranth herself says she uses twitch as a billboard to get people to her onlyfans[2] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/06/nothing-forever-twitch-ban-seinfeld-parody-ai https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/06/nothing-fore... [2] https://twitter.com/jappleby/status/1597327662644858880 https://twitter.com/jappleby/status/1597327662644858880

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corbulo 4y ago

Hasan isn't an extremist?

jkeat 4y ago
yeah extremely reasonable
- corbulo 4y ago
  https://kotaku.com/twitch-suspends-popular-leftist-streamer-after-controve-1837518859 https://kotaku.com/twitch-suspends-popular-leftist-streamer-...
  - jkeat 4y ago
    “We fucking fund the people who did 9/11—still, to this day. Donald Trump literally went on national television and said, ‘They bought $10 billion worth of weapons,’ so if they chop-chop-chop an American legal permanent resident, it’s OK.”
notbuyingit 4y ago
Sure, let's explore that. What are Hasan's extremist views? And keep in mind that I'm gonna cite Aden, Sneako, Trainwrecks, Mizkif and more in response.
- corbulo 4y ago
  I don't care who you cite. I'm not playing some dumb 'my team' game lol He used to work for The Young Turks, hosts streams with AOC and Ilhan Omar, is quoted as saying, "On Crenshaw, Piker said, "What the fuck is wrong with this dude? Didn’t he go to war and like literally lose his eye because some mujahideen, a brave fucking soldier fucked his eye hole with their dick?" And "In the same stream, Piker criticized American foreign policy and made controversial comments relating to the September 11 attacks, including "America deserved 9/11, dude."" This is literally just skimming his wiki. Do you know anything about the guy? He's a gigantic PoS. The fact that Twitch doesn't permaban him is insane, they've banned many other people for far less.