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Triplebyte acquired by Karat
- minimaxir 4y agoI remember when Triplebyte had a blog post and/or job ad every other day on Hacker News, and a bazillion physical ads in San Francisco. It's surprising how quickly after the public-profile-incident (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23303037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23303037 ) they fell off the radar.
- madamelic 4y agoMight be a little elitist but it always seems like these sites go for the broadest applicable market rather than sticking to their lanes of catering to at the very least experienced engineers. TripleByte felt like a premium product that cared about both sides of the transaction but when I came back to it years later, maybe I had changed but the site just felt... bad, like that it was just a job mill. It didn't feel premium, it felt like a hokey recruiter site with a Silicon Valley skin. It doesn't help that companies also treat(ed) it like a job mill. I would have companies reach out, tell me my resume looked great and fit all the criteria then would turn me down for lack of experience when I responded.
- zitterbewegung 4y agoI had a weird experience with Triplebyte. First I take their intake test and then I’m ghosted for a year or two. I email them and I got unghosted somehow. They said it was some kind of glitch but it didn’t really appeal to me…
- titanomachy 4y agoI had the same experience. In 2017 it was amazing and I felt like I'd discovered an incredible career-boosting hack. I told all my friends about it. By 2020 it felt exactly the same as every other low-grade career mill. To be fair, none of my friends that I referred to TripleByte actually passed their (2017) screening process. So it was a site that was very useful to a very small subset of engineers. I'm sure there's a viable business in that premium market, but probably not a unicorn scalable tech company.
- Xt-6 4y agoThey start elitist, people love them for it but that's a niche market as the top "1%" is, well, only 1%. So to justify valuation/please VC/increase revenue, they have to increase the pool of candidates which basically destroy the value-prop of their service.
- rachofsunshine 4y ago(TB's head of product for the last ~year and a half here - I wasn't involved in the decision to pivot away from the old model, but I'm retroactively aware of its reasoning.) This is essentially correct. Our original model worked, more or less, for a small pool of candidates. But acquiring those candidates was extremely expensive in ways that scaled poorly as Triplebyte grew. Basically, we were dependent on ads for growth (anyone who used Reddit at the time probably saw a lot of our ads, shout out to /r/againsttriplebytemike), and the marginal cost of ad conversions grows as you try to scale how many people you're bringing in. Slightly less cynically: if your business can't exist without VC funding, but can't justify the expectations of that funding, you never really had a business to begin with. You borrowed one temporarily. This is normal for startups, and VCs know that they won't always (or even usually) succeed, but you can't sit on your break-even-ish business when that's not what VCs were funding you to do. For what it's worth, early TB's efforts (and for that matter, late TB's efforts, both before my tenure and during it) were sincere, it's just that that sincerity is predicated on actually being able to make a working business out of it.
- compumike 4y ago(The engineer formerly known as "Triplebyte Mike" here. Hi Chel!) Harj recently described Triplebyte's user acquisition trajectory publicly in a video from Y Combinator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtzUo6vL3Iw&t=473s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtzUo6vL3Iw&t=473s from timestamps 7:53 to 9:33. But yes, ads worked for a while, until they didn't.
- camdenreslink 4y agoI got my current job through TripleByte, so thanks for that! I feel like the niche exists for how Triplebyte was set up, but maybe it is not a VC-scale “unicorn” type of business.
- NSMutableSet 4y agoThey completely destroyed the value of their brand with that. It was crazy. I really liked the concept of Triplebyte, even though I never found a job through them. I would get requests from reputable companies occassionally. After that incident, I never got anything again. I would have considered using Triplebyte from the employer side prior to that, but not after. What a disgrace.
- FlyingSnake 4y agoBut has anyone learned the lesson? I'm sure the founders will go their merry way to another plum position and continue thriving on VC Twitter. In the past 10 year being unethical wasn't considered immoral by a lot of such startups. I remember the intern incident at Repl.it or how AirBnB destroyed the rental market in certain geographies or the whole Uber incidents.
- rachofsunshine 4y agoThat incident was obviously pretty damaging to us from a PR perspective, but it isn't really what killed us. It's not like no one ever used TB after that, even though it did reasonable damage to our brand (and for what it's worth, that kind of blowup really is damaging - we got asked about it during basically every one of the acquisition conversations we did at the end, so please don't think that PR backlash never matters! it absolutely does!). We were simply never able to make the marketplace version of Triplebyte work after moving away from the transactional model we had in the early days. We tried some new tactics near the end that seemed to be bearing fruit, and I think in a world where tech hadn't crashed in mid to late 2022 we would have had a reasonable shot. But sometimes you find product-market fit right around the time the market goes sour. C'est la vie. The reason we fell off the radar is that we'd been spending a lot of money on ads and stopped at around the time of that backlash (due to a change in business, not due to the backlash itself). Turns out you can boost your profile quite a bit when you're pouring a lot of your cash into ad campaigns! (Also, the physical ads wouldn't have made much sense since that pivot also coincided with all of us sitting in our tiny Bay Area apartments for the next year, lol.)
- edgyquant 4y agoI got my big break through triplebyte but once you switched from the “personal” site that connected me to companies I was actually a good match for and moved towards being just a jobs site I’ve had zero luck so I got my last job via workatastartup (which is also going downhill.) It’s a shame because I know there’s people like me stuck in a dead end job somewhere despite being a senior level engineer (I was working construction!) and these people will have nowhere like triplebyte to help show the industry their skills.
- rachofsunshine 4y agoYeah. You weren't alone. My favorite was some guy who'd been packing boxes for Amazon for like ten years and couldn't get anyone to give him the time of day, who ended up getting a like 200k a year job at one of the bigger SV companies. That kind of story was something I couldn't shut up about during my first couple years at TB, and it was definitely something lost when we changed models. (We made that change for a reason - discussed elsewhere in this thread - but it was still sad to see that model go.) The issue of "talent but no experience" is a glaring inefficiency, but it's the kind of inefficiency that (so far, at least) it's been very hard to make a business out of. (And to be clear, this isn't just employers being evil, a lot of their behavior is rational and it's not like candidates never lie or cheat either.) I have some thoughts on this that I'll probably be batting around with my new bosses a bit once we're settled in with Karat's teams. Since Karat focuses more on screening than on trying to be a marketplace, it's a more natural fit for their (our, I guess I should say now) existing business anyway. Hopefully we can make it work.
- noncoml 4y agoI had a couple of interviews with Ammon in their very early stages. You know how sometimes you meet someone and from the first moments you realise he is an awesome person? That’s the feeling I got with him. He definitely knew what he was doing. Wish him the best!
- guywithabike 4y agoIt's unfortunate that their reputation took such a massive hit with the public profile debacle. The folks I talked to / worked with at Triplebyte were all great people with their hearts in the right place. It's just an incredibly tough market to be in.
- noncoml 4y agoI think the problem was that what they were trying to do couldn't scale. As I said I interviewed in the early stages with Ammon and it was a great experience. He knew what he was asking and he knew how to evaluate your skills. But how can you have a hundred Ammons interviewing and assessing people? It just doesn't scale.
- rachofsunshine 4y agoInterviewers actually did scale reasonably well, which is part of why Karat (which stayed focused on that part) was in a position to buy our stuff to begin with. What didn't scale was the ability to get high-quality candidates in the door in the first place.
- warent 4y agoI worked with Karat as an interviewer for a few years at the most senior level and loved the experience (back then they were still Karat.io!). Pleased to see this success for them; it seems like a partnership made in heaven.
- 0x0000000 4y agoI briefly worked as an interviewer -- it wasn't for me, but I like and appreciate everything they're doing to make things fair across candidates and removing subjectivity where possible. Of all the bad ways we interview SWEs, Karat is one of the better ones, IMO. The way I saw it, it removes a lot of stress and pressure for the candidate, and puts some of it onto the interviewer.
- candiddevmike 4y agoI hope all of these interview assessment companies go out of business. They don't produce quality candidates, and they're dehumanizing for the folks that have to use them.
- warent 4y agoThis is not the feedback I've received, and I conducted like nearly 1000 interviews with Karat. On average we actually heard from people that Karat was their best experience by far, and that we made them feel like we were treating them as worthy individuals. Even people who got declined usually still left feeling quite positive, because we would turn the obviously-failed interview into, basically, a free hour coaching / teaching session for them to succeed next time.
- coward123 4y agoMy experience was the same as tedvim above - it was utterly dehumanizing and there's no way I want that either for myself or for the people I hire. The interviewers were smug little shits who didn't take feedback to ask questions relevant to the position. Further - you guys lurk all over HN commenting like this every time there's an interview thread. It's submarining and it's gross.
- Nextgrid 4y agoThe rules at Karat may be that giving any kind of help pretty much automatically disqualifies the candidate, so technically they're better off giving you no help at all in the hopes you make as much progress on your own rather than ruining your interview by giving you help prematurely.
- jamiepenney 4y agoYep pretty much this. I was a contract interviewer with Karat for a few years and taught people how to conduct interviews. There's a graded scale of assistance, anything more than gentle prompting to re-read your code or the error output starts counting against you. If I have to point out a block of code or even a line, then that's getting to the point that most clients will pass you over when they review your interview, so the rules are we don't give that stuff proactively.
- subarctic 4y agoI'm guessing the pivot [0] to being more engineer-focused rather than employer-focused didn't end up working out, and they decided to sell the company and move on? [0]: https://triplebyte.com/blog/rethinking-triplebyte https://triplebyte.com/blog/rethinking-triplebyte, discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27541676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27541676
- rachofsunshine 4y agoYou're essentially correct that that effort didn't work. That pivot was motivated, more or less, by the fact that we'd never found a good way to attract candidates that wasn't "dump tons of money into ads". (Even in the early days, when our branding was good, most of our candidate acquisition was from ads; only maybe 25% was word-of-mouth.) It just didn't work: senior engineers simply didn't find the things we could offer them compelling enough. Fundamentally, if you're a hiring market paid by companies, you're selling access to talent. And finding cost-efficient ways to get that talent is a core problem of your business. We tried a few approaches to that, but none really took off. (The most successful was our Screen tool, but the problem with that was that companies mostly wanted to screen candidates they saw as low-value - juniors and international candidates, mostly - and were terrified of screening high-value senior candidates. The product worked well, but didn't get the candidates that would let us stand out, basically.) During 2022, we pivoted back to a focus on companies, and actually saw quite a bit of success with our last few efforts in a way that, with more runway, we might have converted into some really good candidate experiences. Unfortunately, this coincided with a collapse in tech that both tanked companies' desire to hire and tightened their belts as they braced for a hostile fundraising environment, and we couldn't overcome that environment even with a product that did seem to have reasonable fit.
- nullfield 4y agoIf I want to burn all my data there before Karat “anonymizes it for analytics purposes” on 2023-03-31, so they don’t get it, is there a method for doing so?
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- the_jeremy 4y agoI'm not surprised Triplebyte isn't standing on its own. I set up identical profiles and passed all the relevant quizzes at Triplebyte, Hired, and LinkedIn (all 3 offer timed, multiple choice question tests with limited retries), but only LinkedIn was able to match me with opportunities willing to pay what I was asking. Triplebyte and Hired both let you set a floor salary, but have no ability to set a floor total compensation, which meant it was effectively worthless for determining if a company was competitive for me. In Oct-Dec '22, I got ~400 LinkedIn recruiter messages (3% with high enough total comp), ~20 triplebyte messages (0 with competitive comp) and ~10 hired messages (0 competitive). None of these recruiters were connections beforehand on any platform, so it's just representative of the total number of recruiters on each platform. (In case anyone is interested, I also cold-applied ~20 places, and none of those resulted in me making it past the hiring manager stage, if that. I ended up with 2 offers, both from random LinkedIn recruiter outreach.)
- tedivm 4y agoI demoed Karat as a customer and I think they're just awful. They pretended that the interview process was customizable, so we sent them what we wanted. Then to demo it I signed myself up as a candidate. Literally all of our feedback was completely ignored. They didn't touch on any of the topics they said they would, and even though we explicitly told them it wasn't an algorithms heavy position that was their entire focus. On the plus side I did pass the interview, but we ultimately decided that using Karat would have had a real negative impact on our hiring.
- warent 4y agoI don't get this. Karat provides their customers with full, detailed text writeups of every single interview, as well as full recordings both of the interview video call and the code timeline. Why didn't you just review that material?
- tedivm 4y agoI absolutely did review the interview, that was the whole point. I just wasn't willing to risk sending a potential candidate through a pipeline I myself hadn't gone through. I'm happy I caught the problems in advance myself, rather than subjecting someone I potentially wanted to hire to a useless interview. I do want to stress the useless part here too- even with the notes of how the interview went I wouldn't be able to make a decision on things, since they didn't hit the points that were actually relevant to the role.
- metadaemon 4y agoGood on you for not subjecting someone to that.
- warent 4y agoIn summary, the beginning of a brand new business relationship, you demoed a single, first version of your custom purchase, you understood that it needed tuning, and then proceeded to immediately cut them without providing further direction. (EDIT: Note that I previously contracted with Karat and feel loyalty to them, but have no formal association or stake in them, nor do I represent them.)
- guywithabike 4y ago6 years ago, I did Triplebyte as a candidate, got 6 interviews at good companies and 4 fantastic offers (including one from them, directly!). I ended up accepting an offer for a company that had a life-changing exit for me, and it wouldn't have happened without Triplebyte. So I have a lot of love for them. It was sad to see them stumble with the weird public profile stuff, but I wish only the best for them. I hope this was a good outcome for the folks that I talked to all those years ago.
- nrb 4y agoNearly same journey for me. I can’t thank them enough for organizing everything (including the flights, hotel, and scheduling) and putting me in front of several great companies as someone who at the time did not live anywhere near the bay or have easy access to the SF startup scene. It felt like a really premium experience, and one that I’ll forever be grateful for.
- rachofsunshine 4y agoThese kinds of stories were really motivating for all of us who worked here at the time, and they definitely soften the blow of the final result, at least for me (and I think for Ammon as well).
- myndzi 4y agoSame here. Triplebyte quite literally changed the trajectory of my life. I wasn't really aware of how things have changed over the past 6+ years as mentioned in the other comments, but I'm sad to read them. I wish the whole team well, regardless. <3
- thaumasiotes 4y agoTo give a different perspective, I applied to Triplebyte when they announced their project track for people who don't do well in interviews. They told me I had done a great job on the project, but that they couldn't move me forward because they needed candidates who could do well in interviews. (What was the project track for??) They recommended practicing on interviewing.io, a site with closed membership that kept me waitlisted for over a year (and only then let me in because I complained about the situation on HN, not because I'd actually waited long enough to get off the waitlist). So as far as I could see, Triplebyte advertised one thing, delivered the opposite at every opportunity (I'm also still bitter that the site with the tagline "No resumes, just show us you can code" opened its interviews with "So, where have you worked in the past, and what did you do there?"), and didn't even pretend to be interested enough to give you advice that was, theoretically, possible to follow.
- muh_gradle 4y agoI've used Triplebyte the past few months. It hasn't been a good experience to put it lightly. The idea for it sounded nice 4 or 5 years ago, but they've just pivoted in a poor direction.
- topherPedersen 4y agoI hate it when they don't mention the price. We want to know how big the bag was!
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- coward123 4y agoKarat embodies everything wrong with the tech industry, and Triplebyte wasn't much better. I've interviewed - and hired - hundreds of people in my career. This robotic approach with a focus on either standardized test type material and/or the leetcode interviews where how we interview doesn't match the work itself - it's just all so broken. I don't know the fix, but I know this isn't it.
- flyandscan88 4y agoI agree but I feel Karat is good/helpful IF we're all still stuck in the leetcode/algorithm world because at least it's friendly/consistent.
- jonahss 4y agoI used Triplebyte from both sides, as a candidate as well as a hiring manager. I hired some great people from them, but over the past couple years watched as their standards slid, pricing models changed, and sales practices went from friendly to cutthroat :/
- compumike 4y agoCurious, what would have been a better model?
- barcode_feeder 4y agoI used Triplebyte in 2018 and had a great experience with it. I enjoyed the interview process, I found my talent manager tremendously helpful as a new grad, everything about it was great. I was a kid from the midwest who went to a relatively no-name school and it opened a lot of doors for me. A few years later and all the candidates I've interviewed for that came through the Triplebyte pipeline were spectacular. Sad to see the turn it took. At least I've got the jacket :)
- hayst4ck 4y agoI had a friend get a job through triplebyte and generally had a positive opinion of them. I also had a generally positive opinion since I had wasted time phone screening candidates. Every phone screen a company does is at least $100 of wasted time. The value proposition of outsourcing phone screening for fizzbuzz is clear. The value proposition of doing one phone screen for N companies is also clear. Then they started abusing trust and implementing dark patterns: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27255742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27255742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23303037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23303037 I was honestly thinking about using them myself until it became clear that they had no ethics. Once trust is lost...
- naet 4y agoI got my foot in the door in tech through triplebyte after a couple months of job applications. I had a very small number of triplebyte company "matches", but I got a good review on my triplebyte front end interview and ended up landing a good job at a growing startup... only for the company to lay off the entire office 3 months later after the initial Covid outbreak (but the production experience taught me a lot and helped me get my next role). I had less success when I came back 2-3 years later and tried to get another role through them, but I'll always be thankful for the initial foot in. At at time when many places didn't want to consider me at all for having no professional experience, triplebyte was willing to give me the chance to interview and judge me on my answers instead. Even just the interview process was a good learning experience and I could research any topics I didn't know afterwards. I like to riff off one of the questions from my triplebyte interview when I now interview candidates- the "used car" architecture question. Makes for a great open ended technical discussion.
- theonething 4y agoWhat is the used car architecture question?
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- bigbillheck 4y agoI went thru Triplebyte in 2019, did well enough on the initial quiz to skip the technical screen, but then they matched me with a bunch of little tiny startups -- including one on in a different hemisphere! -- doing uninspiring work. I talked with two, one of which ended up ghosting, and ended up declining a flyout to the other. Three weeks later I got an email from Triplebyte saying they were "pausing your process".
- acheron 4y agoHuh, really? I thought it sounded interesting years ago and checked them out. I then read that it was for jobs/people in San Francisco only, and my reaction was, as the kids say, "lmao". Never thought about them again. Had no idea they moved on to allowing places that were potentially elsewhere and even in different hemispheres.
- bigbillheck 4y agoIn fairness I could be mis-remembering the details, but it was something about making apps for Africa; I thought they were based somewhere there but it's been a couple years.
- rachofsunshine 4y agoWe had a couple startups in Nigeria. Was never a major hub for us, but we always had a handful of folks in Lagos.
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- cutenewt 4y agoWill Karat be around after the AI revolution? I wouldn't be surprised if an OpenAI + Zoom solution makes Karat obsolete. I, for one, won't shed any tears. I've wasted too much time conducting interviews. I'd like to have more time to focus on work.
- lisper 4y agoI was a big fan of Triplebyte until I went on an interview that they arranged for me that turned out to be a complete waste of time. I told the company beforehand that I didn't know Ruby, had never written a line of Ruby, and they said that it didn't matter, they wanted me to come in anyway. What is the first thing they ask me to do? Write some Ruby code, of course. I'll spare you the gory details of what happened after that, but it was a train wreck. If you're going to try to build a business on the basis of eliminating the bullshit from interviewing (which is a terrific thing to try to do) you have to make sure your client companies are on board.
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- baron816 4y agoI did a coding bootcamp in 2014, and couldn’t get a job afterwards. I spent the next three years trying to break into tech. I had tried starting a startup, failed at that, interviewed at a handful of companies, failed those too. At one point, I was literally begging startups to let me work for them for free. Nothing. I finally managed to get into Triplebyte’s program. I did a phone interview with them, failed it, then came back a few months later and passed it. They flew me out to California where I interviewed at five companies. No offers at four of the five. It was the very last company that I interviewed at where I got a job. Had I not gotten that job, I would probably be trying to sell insurance right now or something. I’ve been at Google for a year now, so it ended up working out pretty well in the end.
- thaumaturgy 4y agoI went through Triplebyte's process as a candidate ca. 2019. I got a lot of positive feedback from it, and while they didn't have a company in their portfolio at the time that was a perfect match for my skills, the process (and its results) gave me the confidence to pursue roles that I would not have otherwise. I just recently got a role with a really wonderful organization and Triplebyte deserves some of the credit for that, just for building a process that made talented shlubs feel hireable. When they made some missteps and got (deservedly) bad press for it, and then struggled after, I felt bad for them in the way I'd feel about a friend that screwed up. The honest comments in this thread from Triplebyte folks is refreshing too and I really hope for the best for them.
- bmcahren 4y agoI've had incredible success in gauging candidates skill-level using TripleByte Screen. Everyone I've hired has taken the test. It's not a pass/fail response but it is fairly indicative of someone who has worked full-time in their tested language/skill. If the tests go away, I don't know what I will do to help gauge candidate skill without traditional and wasteful live / take-home / repo-based tests. As an evaluation tool, TripleByte was great. As a user of Magnet (the recruitment marketplace), it was not so great. We signed up during the hiring frenzy of 2020 and the good candidates we tried to get were all getting offers from much more established brands. We didn't see any success there, but TripleByte Screen is an excellent product I hope remains available.
- x_juisnka 4y agoUsing Karat services tells a lot more about the company than the candidate. I guess it could be generalized that these companies are more likely to value philosophies that are similar to a few of these abhorrent practices- 1. Flawed concepts of "Meritocracy" based hiring/promotions 2. Stack ranking 3. RIF's based on some extremely shortsighted metrics like quarterly revenue numbers 4. PIP style performance improvements 5. More MBA types managing engineering teams ... The only place I see Karat style services fit is to eliminate 'noise' candidates from DDOS'ing the entry level hire pipeline.
- lazyant 4y agoI was interviewed by Karat for an SRE position and I found it a joke. Questions like "a web server goes down but the site stays up, why?" - me: "well, define 'down', also is there a caching layer in front?". "No, what happened is that there was a load balancer and two web servers and only one went down". ffs
- phendrenad2 4y agoSo what is happening to TripleByte? The website says "While Triplebyte is saying goodbye…the mission to transform technical hiring continues at Karat". So it seems like Karat is just squashing a competitor to their own business model, and doesn't intend to integrate triplebyte's features into Karat.
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- phendrenad2 4y agoTriplebyte was always responsive to news on HN and seemed to actually try to work with the community. I'm glad they found an exit.
- bmcahren 4y agoYears ago, I took a Triplebyte test and at the end of it learned critical (and accurate) insights on my strengths and weaknesses. I realized if I can screen my candidates in this same way, they will be incredibly valuable employees. After confirming the skill-ranking capabilities with our first hires, we integrated Triplebyte into our hiring process to save developers hours of wasted time on pointless coding exercises that are thrown away after each interview only to start over again with the next company. This was an advantage for us, we had a better signal to noise ratio on candidates and we found more talent willing to take a triplebyte test than our own in-house tests. Further, the triplebyte tests were maintained and refined over the years to an accuracy I believe is going to be very difficult to replace. Yesterday, Karat announced a shutdown of Triplebyte with less than 2 weeks notice. They don't care to offer a solution to any of Triplebyte's customers. In their words they "only purchased a technology that Triplebyte made available to other companies" i.e. "we don't want anyone else using this". The Karat website uses floaty words like "interview cloud" and emphasizes live-coding interviews as part of some legacy product that would put us back into the stone ages when it comes to our current hiring process. Karat expressed no intention on offering solutions to replace what Triplebyte did best. Karat do not care about the inconvenience of their customers. Karat provides less than two weeks notice to paying customers that they are cancelling service.
- rachofsunshine 4y ago(I'm in email contact with this person, but the public TLDR here is that Karat isn't just buying this to shut it down and hasn't, at least as far as I can tell, done anything wrong in this process. The shortness of notice isn't their doing, at least.)
- egberts1 4y agoTriplebyte is extremely hostile to disabled people who are experts in their field. After aceing their Linux kernel screening test in 2019, their model of “we will call you, you cannot contact us” have made it nearly impossible to work out physical scheduling for an interpreter to sit alongside the conversation. After all, one does not need a voice to do professional “bit arrangements”. We all have IM, texting, email, and fancy transcribing machines. There are many forms of vocal disabilities.