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> I still think it should be controlled medically and not as available as lotto tickets You could make the same argument for alcohol... it can destroy lives an

> I still think it should be controlled medically and not as available as lotto tickets You could make the same argument for alcohol... it can destroy lives and yet is still legal.

valenaut 4y ago
Likewise for lotto tickets.
andersentobias 4y ago
I know that psychosis on alcohol happens, but I have never personally seen a person get psychotic from alcohol. Cannabis on the other hand...
- bitcoin_anon 4y ago
  Have you ever been to a bar?
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    Been to Oktoberfest. All of the Brit, Irish, Canadian and Australian members of the crew could not believe that much alcohol in one place without any barfights/disputes/blah. “This event wouldn’t be possible in Ireland”
    - red-iron-pine 4y ago
      I've been to Oktoberfest, too. My brother lived in Bavaria for a while. There were several fights, some blatant abuse of cocaine, and one of my female friends had someone get a hand down her pants and squeeze her butt without permission. No one got shot or stabbed, but it certainly wasn't a peaceful hangout.
  - aaomidi 4y ago
    Or literally any city at 2 AM on Saturday/Sunday
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  What is psychosis defined as, and how is it any worse than the effects of excess alcohol consumption? On 30+ years, I have never seen someone get violent from cannabis, but with alcohol, it is a regular occurrence. Worked at a hotel when I was younger too, and you can bring me a hotel full of people high on cannabis, and the worst they ever did was buy a ton of snacks. Alcohol, on the other hand, was responsible for noise complaints, broken televisions, furniture, sexual assault, violent assault, cops being called all the time, etc.
  - andersentobias 4y ago
    Look. Maybe I'm crazy, but being unable to control one's emotions is a much less severe condition than not being able to know what is real and what is not for the individual in question. As an aside, my father was an alcoholic and a pathetic loser indulging in as much alcohol as self-pity. I am not defending excessive alcohol consumption. My point is: Even if you think weed is relatively better than alcohol from a big picture societal POV (we can agree to disagree here), don't underestimate the bad effects of weed. Don't be a weed-smoking loser just because it's legal. You have one body. Take care of it.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  I know that driving while high accidents happen, but I have never heard of anybody being ran over by a high driver. Alcohol on the other hand...
  - andersentobias 4y ago
    It would be interesting to see larger samples of weed smokers vs alcohol drinkers, and the effects of each. I guess all sample sizes of weed smokers are small in public health studies.
- iancmceachern 4y ago
  Because you've never seen it makes it so it never happened?
- riffic 4y ago
  you've never seen an angry drunk? you're very privileged.
- kentrado 4y ago
  Alcohol can literally kill you. Cannabis on the other hand will not.
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  > I know that psychosis on alcohol happens, but I have never personally seen a person get psychotic from alcohol. I was a bartender for a while in college and off-and-on afterwards. I've seen dozens of barfights, several with people ending up in hospitals. No shootings, thankfully, but that absolutely happens outside of bars and clubs. There were at least 3 fatal DUIs that were traced back to coming from bars that I worked at; it led to the closure of one of them. Alcohol correlates directly to levels of domestic abuse, rape, assault, and murder. Most traffic accidents after 9pm are alcohol related. But weed makes you crazy and psychotic.
droopyEyelids 4y ago
The public health case for restrictive regulation of alcohol is actually much stronger than for marijuana
- deleted 4y ago
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- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Would the public health case be due to alcohol’s effects on others, or one’s self? If it is one’s self, then sugar, carbs, and sat fats are surely up there also. Although, one could define healthcare paid by other taxpayers as an effect on others, and that would encompass everything.
  - aaomidi 4y ago
    Drunk driving is a huge one. Meanwhile CDC hasn’t been able to create actual evidence that driving while high causes more accidents. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/driving.html https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/driving.html I’m not saying it doesn’t but alcohol causes so many unnecessary deaths in society due to drunk driving. Note: I’m not advocating for alcohol to be banned.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      Phone use while driving probably eclipses any other risk factor these days: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-14/deaths-broken-limbs-distracted-driving https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-14/deaths-bro... But I bet it would be very politically unpopular to address phone use while driving.
      - mrguyorama 4y ago
        It isn't. My state is looking into making the penalties stronger and people are generally favorable for that because they still see people driving every day with their face glued to their phone. The only people against distracted driving penalties are people who are entitled and think they should be able to put others in danger for their minor convenience or libertarian assholes who think seatbelt laws are oppressive nanny stating.

> I still think it should be controlled medically and not as available as lotto tickets You could make the same argument for alcohol... it can destroy lives and yet is still legal.

valenaut 4y ago

Likewise for lotto tickets.

andersentobias 4y ago

I know that psychosis on alcohol happens, but I have never personally seen a person get psychotic from alcohol. Cannabis on the other hand...

bitcoin_anon 4y ago
Have you ever been to a bar?
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  Been to Oktoberfest. All of the Brit, Irish, Canadian and Australian members of the crew could not believe that much alcohol in one place without any barfights/disputes/blah. “This event wouldn’t be possible in Ireland”
  - red-iron-pine 4y ago
    I've been to Oktoberfest, too. My brother lived in Bavaria for a while. There were several fights, some blatant abuse of cocaine, and one of my female friends had someone get a hand down her pants and squeeze her butt without permission. No one got shot or stabbed, but it certainly wasn't a peaceful hangout.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  Or literally any city at 2 AM on Saturday/Sunday
lotsofpulp 4y ago
What is psychosis defined as, and how is it any worse than the effects of excess alcohol consumption? On 30+ years, I have never seen someone get violent from cannabis, but with alcohol, it is a regular occurrence. Worked at a hotel when I was younger too, and you can bring me a hotel full of people high on cannabis, and the worst they ever did was buy a ton of snacks. Alcohol, on the other hand, was responsible for noise complaints, broken televisions, furniture, sexual assault, violent assault, cops being called all the time, etc.
- andersentobias 4y ago
  Look. Maybe I'm crazy, but being unable to control one's emotions is a much less severe condition than not being able to know what is real and what is not for the individual in question. As an aside, my father was an alcoholic and a pathetic loser indulging in as much alcohol as self-pity. I am not defending excessive alcohol consumption. My point is: Even if you think weed is relatively better than alcohol from a big picture societal POV (we can agree to disagree here), don't underestimate the bad effects of weed. Don't be a weed-smoking loser just because it's legal. You have one body. Take care of it.
TremendousJudge 4y ago
I know that driving while high accidents happen, but I have never heard of anybody being ran over by a high driver. Alcohol on the other hand...
- andersentobias 4y ago
  It would be interesting to see larger samples of weed smokers vs alcohol drinkers, and the effects of each. I guess all sample sizes of weed smokers are small in public health studies.
iancmceachern 4y ago
Because you've never seen it makes it so it never happened?
riffic 4y ago
you've never seen an angry drunk? you're very privileged.
kentrado 4y ago
Alcohol can literally kill you. Cannabis on the other hand will not.
red-iron-pine 4y ago
> I know that psychosis on alcohol happens, but I have never personally seen a person get psychotic from alcohol. I was a bartender for a while in college and off-and-on afterwards. I've seen dozens of barfights, several with people ending up in hospitals. No shootings, thankfully, but that absolutely happens outside of bars and clubs. There were at least 3 fatal DUIs that were traced back to coming from bars that I worked at; it led to the closure of one of them. Alcohol correlates directly to levels of domestic abuse, rape, assault, and murder. Most traffic accidents after 9pm are alcohol related. But weed makes you crazy and psychotic.

droopyEyelids 4y ago

The public health case for restrictive regulation of alcohol is actually much stronger than for marijuana

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lotsofpulp 4y ago
Would the public health case be due to alcohol’s effects on others, or one’s self? If it is one’s self, then sugar, carbs, and sat fats are surely up there also. Although, one could define healthcare paid by other taxpayers as an effect on others, and that would encompass everything.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  Drunk driving is a huge one. Meanwhile CDC hasn’t been able to create actual evidence that driving while high causes more accidents. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/driving.html https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/driving.html I’m not saying it doesn’t but alcohol causes so many unnecessary deaths in society due to drunk driving. Note: I’m not advocating for alcohol to be banned.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Phone use while driving probably eclipses any other risk factor these days: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-14/deaths-broken-limbs-distracted-driving https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-14/deaths-bro... But I bet it would be very politically unpopular to address phone use while driving.
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      It isn't. My state is looking into making the penalties stronger and people are generally favorable for that because they still see people driving every day with their face glued to their phone. The only people against distracted driving penalties are people who are entitled and think they should be able to put others in danger for their minor convenience or libertarian assholes who think seatbelt laws are oppressive nanny stating.