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Eh, I'm not someone who is easily impressed, but I'm going to say LLMs are transformative (ba-dum-dum-sheeeesh). I use copilot, it definitely saves me time. At

Eh, I'm not someone who is easily impressed, but I'm going to say LLMs are transformative (ba-dum-dum-sheeeesh). I use copilot, it definitely saves me time. At the moment just minor things, but there's no arguing, there's simply no doubt. ChatGPT will transform forum comments. Soon human written messages like this one will be swamped by machine-assisted argue-bots. And sales-bots. Other LLMs are doing images, which will be much the same. You can illustrate your book automatically, pretty much now. You can generate marketing images, now. Everything creative will be affected. Music, books, movies.

redeeman 4y ago
everything creative where true creativity doesnt matter :) sure, it will illustrate a book, many presentations, all sorts of stuff, but it will not create novel things as a human does. Sure, it can produce a smattering of what it was trained on, it will not produce new original well thought out masterpieces. think about how it works for a moment, sure, its great, very nice, simple chores can be done with some reasonable effectiveness. but people are clearly expecting things that an LLM simply isnt meant or capable of doing
- bluescrn 4y ago
  > everything creative where true creativity doesnt matter So it'll be fine replacing most of Hollywood, videogames, and pop music then...
- lordnacho 4y ago
  Had this discussion the other day, never got an answer from the thread. What is true creativity? What is a novel thing? If we establish that it isn't merely a mix of existing things, what is it? I don't have an answer other than actually maybe these things it makes actually are novel. If you have another take on it I'd be interested to hear why nothing it makes is novel, and nothing from the LLM family of algos can ever make something that qualifies?
  - alienicecream 4y ago
    Creativity comes from insight. This thing has no insight, the best it can do is spit out something that might fit, and you will need to decide if it got lucky.
    - lordnacho 4y ago
      So you are saying LLMs can generate a bunch of attempts at novelty, but you need a person to decide which one is actually useful?
nostromo123 4y ago
Then I guess I can ethically pirate anything I want, since I'm not "stealing the money from a human creator" anymore, huh?
iLoveOncall 4y ago
> I use copilot, it definitely saves me time. At the moment just minor things, but there's no arguing, there's simply no doubt. It's an autocomplete, hardly transformative. > ChatGPT will transform forum comments. Soon human written messages like this one will be swamped by machine-assisted argue-bots. And sales-bots. You really think people that like to argue online will deprive themselves from the joy of writing the message on their own? And bots that write marketing comments are hardly new. Again, hardly transformative. > Other LLMs are doing images, which will be much the same. You can illustrate your book automatically, pretty much now. You can generate marketing images, now. None of this is transformative either, it's just the same as the code autocomplete example. You really think any of the things you have cited will deeply affect society? Please.
- lordnacho 4y ago
  It's not autocomplete, we had intellisense two decades ago. And nobody would argue that wasn't useful. Saving time is useful. Thing that merely save time have been transformative. For instance you can walk across London in a couple of hours or you can take the tube. All it does is save time. But that's transformative, it changes what you can do when you don't need the same amount of time to do it. Marketing and especially political comments are about to swamp every digital space. Soon you will not know what is real and what is a puppet. This is without a doubt transformative. Look at the relatively small wave caused by the Cambridge Analytica thing. This thing will create a tsunami of BS sweeping us all away. I'll admit it hasn't happened yet, what we have now is just the beginnings. Happy to say LLMs are a big deal.

redeeman 4y ago

everything creative where true creativity doesnt matter :) sure, it will illustrate a book, many presentations, all sorts of stuff, but it will not create novel things as a human does. Sure, it can produce a smattering of what it was trained on, it will not produce new original well thought out masterpieces. think about how it works for a moment, sure, its great, very nice, simple chores can be done with some reasonable effectiveness. but people are clearly expecting things that an LLM simply isnt meant or capable of doing

bluescrn 4y ago
> everything creative where true creativity doesnt matter So it'll be fine replacing most of Hollywood, videogames, and pop music then...
lordnacho 4y ago
Had this discussion the other day, never got an answer from the thread. What is true creativity? What is a novel thing? If we establish that it isn't merely a mix of existing things, what is it? I don't have an answer other than actually maybe these things it makes actually are novel. If you have another take on it I'd be interested to hear why nothing it makes is novel, and nothing from the LLM family of algos can ever make something that qualifies?
- alienicecream 4y ago
  Creativity comes from insight. This thing has no insight, the best it can do is spit out something that might fit, and you will need to decide if it got lucky.
  - lordnacho 4y ago
    So you are saying LLMs can generate a bunch of attempts at novelty, but you need a person to decide which one is actually useful?

nostromo123 4y ago

Then I guess I can ethically pirate anything I want, since I'm not "stealing the money from a human creator" anymore, huh?

iLoveOncall 4y ago

> I use copilot, it definitely saves me time. At the moment just minor things, but there's no arguing, there's simply no doubt. It's an autocomplete, hardly transformative. > ChatGPT will transform forum comments. Soon human written messages like this one will be swamped by machine-assisted argue-bots. And sales-bots. You really think people that like to argue online will deprive themselves from the joy of writing the message on their own? And bots that write marketing comments are hardly new. Again, hardly transformative. > Other LLMs are doing images, which will be much the same. You can illustrate your book automatically, pretty much now. You can generate marketing images, now. None of this is transformative either, it's just the same as the code autocomplete example. You really think any of the things you have cited will deeply affect society? Please.

lordnacho 4y ago
It's not autocomplete, we had intellisense two decades ago. And nobody would argue that wasn't useful. Saving time is useful. Thing that merely save time have been transformative. For instance you can walk across London in a couple of hours or you can take the tube. All it does is save time. But that's transformative, it changes what you can do when you don't need the same amount of time to do it. Marketing and especially political comments are about to swamp every digital space. Soon you will not know what is real and what is a puppet. This is without a doubt transformative. Look at the relatively small wave caused by the Cambridge Analytica thing. This thing will create a tsunami of BS sweeping us all away. I'll admit it hasn't happened yet, what we have now is just the beginnings. Happy to say LLMs are a big deal.