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Good. Time to finally put those dealers in Görli (largely) out of business. For non-locals: that's Görlitzer Park, Berlin, which has largely been owned (and
by lisasays 4y ago
Good. Time to finally put those dealers in Görli (largely) out of business.
For non-locals: that's Görlitzer Park, Berlin, which has largely been owned (and rendered nearly useless) by the dealers for several years now (along with the neighboring streets, and a good chunk of the recreational land on the canal zone nearby).
- giraffe_lady 4y agoHow did they render it useless? I don't know anything about this but I'm picking up "no one goes there anymore it's too crowded" vibes.
- lisasays 4y agoI just go by own impressions - which are that it feels skivvy as all get out to walk through, or in the general vicinity of that park. Hence, rendering it basically useless as a "park".
- beepbooptheory 4y agoWhat is "skivvy" in this context?
- lisasays 4y agoFar too much eye contact and verbal solicitation from random strangers. Just ... standing there as if to intercept you when walking by.
- caseyohara 4y agoI'm guessing they meant "skeevy". Unpleasant, squalid, or distasteful; morally or physically repulsive.
- lisasays 4y agoYou're right; skeevy it is. Need to check my fake hip-sounding lingo.
- beepbooptheory 4y agoI would check on this somewhat extreme misanthropy first.
- throwbadubadu 4y agoStrange impressions you have and totally disagree. The park is vibrant and full of kids and families over the day.. dealers don't even annoy you usually if you signal strong non-interest or don't fall into typical buyer group.. you can even walk safely through the park at darker times when you stick to the big ways (though I mean to feel safe, I'd say you are almost safe everywhere as safe as you can be in a big german city in darker places everywhere... you are likely even safer there because enough people around vs other scary places) Yes, they can make a bad and for some an intimidating appearance, and make others mad, but "making the park useless" is a gross exaggeration... how often are you there, and where you from? Just curious.. Most of these people are not as bad, and while this film sure tells a story, I'd suggest to watch the modern version of "Berlin Alexanderplatz" just to get another perspective.
- luckylion 4y ago> dealers don't even annoy you usually if you signal strong non-interest or don't fall into typical buyer group > you can even walk safely through the park at darker times when you stick to the big ways You have no idea how crazy that sounds for someone that isn't acclimatized to Berlin culture.
- coyotespike 4y agoYes, I was comfortable walking through it alone, but my parents weren't thrilled when we walked through it together > dealers don't even annoy you usually is not that strong an argument.
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- ostenning 4y ago> my parents weren't thrilled when we walked through it together I too have experienced this
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- lm28469 4y agoThey haven't, the park is still very popular, with kids, cyclists, runners, &c. You just have a bunch of people saying "hey do you want something?" when you get in/out. There even is a petting zoo inside the park, it's far from a no man's land. In summer it's full of people sunbathing &c. It's kind of an open secret that police allows them here so that they don't proliferate everywhere else. This open secret contract means they're also mostly harmless and police are patrolling around the park very often. I live 500m away and ride by on a daily basis
- pengaru 4y agoI find it hard to believe marijuana is the only substance dealers in a park serving an urban center with a penchant for clubs/night life like Berlin are peddling...
- lisasays 4y agoNo one said it was.
- pengaru 4y agoWhy do you think marijuana legalization will substantially change anything in your park then?
- fxtentacle 4y agoMy impression is that weed is their main source of revenue. So legalizing it would make dealing A LOT less profitable. Also, the group of potential weed buyers is pretty large and diverse, meaning they need to approach pretty much everyone. The group of potential buyers for harder party drugs is more easy to identify, hence you can stop asking everyone.
- fwn 4y agoNon-legal Cannabis in Germany is a surprisingly low margin product; profit is made through volume, which increases risk exposure. So it's not amazing for dealers, despite the large demand. It's abundance leads to a very competitive market (in Ballungsgebieten), like in other markets substitution though home production is always looming. For dealers in Berliner parks, there's also always competition with more reputable informal suppliers as well as medical trickle downs or substitutes. This leads to the incentive for dealers to steer consumption towards products with higher margin (or an increase of margin through lesser quality product).
- pengaru 4y agoAIUI weed is generally the least consequential when busted for dealing, so it's the most visible entrypoint dealers openly broadcast on the street. Weed is like the cover charge at the door. Cocaine, meth, fent, mdma, lsd, shrooms, etc. are the drinks served at the bar. If this is anywhere near a correct understanding, legalizing weed would cause little/no reduction in the activity. It would lessen the potential consequences for dealing weed even further, while "drinks at the bar" continue being served. We'd need to legalize and regulate all drugs, and do so without taxing it so much the black market continues to thrive via lower prices.
- ostenning 4y agoThe dealers in Görli, Hasenheide etc are often there because either they have no working visa or have no identity papers at all. Legalising weed wont change the systemic social issues of Berlin