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Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

223 points by activitypea 4y ago

ezekg 4y ago
This actually looks really, really good. Looks like I need to update macOS from 10.15.5 sometime soon. I use a Hackintosh, so this'll be fun (I've been putting it off because I finally got it to "work" and got scared/wanted to be productive again). Any idea on their plans to monetize? I assume they will eventually charge, since they raised a 10M series A.
- activitypea 4y ago
  No clue, I'm not affiliated with the devs in any way, I've just been very excited about it since one of the devs tweeted this: https://twitter.com/nathansobo/status/1498053586059620354 https://twitter.com/nathansobo/status/1498053586059620354 However, my first impressions of the keyboard navigation aren't great :(
  - gleenn 4y ago
    Nathan was a former coworker of mine and he is not only an unbelievably talented software engineer but also one of the most humble and friendly guys I know. Glad he's still at it with Zed!
  - maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
    What forms of keyboard navigation are you missing? We try to make sure everything is controllable from the keyboard.
    - activitypea 4y ago
      I haven't played enough with it to give good feedback, I've edited my comment to be more fair. * Seems to me that a lot of the keyboard shortcuts are chords or require hitting an arrow key, sometimes even both. Example: VS Code's default mapping for vertical split is cmd+backslash, but Zed requires cmd+k -> arrow key. * The project panel (file tree) doesn't support hjkl for navigation. The website says Vim mode is still under construction, but in my mind that applies to actual buffer editing, not general UI interactions. My impression is that today most editors, hell even a lot of websites, support hjkl or similar for navigation in cases where it doesn't conflict with anything else. My perspective is that "keyboard-focused" implies "ergonomic shortcuts and UI navigation without leaving the home row". If I'm gonna move my hand from the home row to reach the arrow keys, I might as well just reach for the mouse and get 10x the possible interactions. Anecdotally, I tested myself just now and I'm pretty sure it takes me more time to "find my footing" when I move my fingers to the arrow keys than it does to just grab a mouse and click something. This might be wrong expectations on my end, but my hope is that Zed can bring the powerful navigation of Doom Emacs/Spacemacs minus the bugginess and terrible performance of Emacs. Whenever the devs talked about Zed, I just imagined VSpaceCode without the jank that comes when you override 90% of an editor's default bindings. What I'm seeing from an hour of usage doesn't feel that much more powerful than VS Code in terms of keyboard navigation (kudos on the snappy performance though, it really is night and day). I'm aware this is an early beta, I just hope you folks agree and are going to push more in this direction.
      - johnm 4y ago
        Yeah, they don't seem to have any serious Emacs person in their team. So, like so many people who try and build editors in the last few decades, they seem to miss some fundamental things (while focusing on other worthy things like the core rope+crdt enabling fast local & collaborative editing). They talk about things like having a plug-in type system in the future based on e.g. WASM but, as you're pointing out, their fundamental perspective is built around the simplistic notion of a control panel with fixed functionality that's primarily accessed via a bizarre set of keymaps. On this front, might as well stick with JetBrains.
    - joshuabaker2 4y ago
      The first thing I always do when I go into any new editor is set up the "Select All Instances of highlighted word". So like how there is cmd-d for the next occurrence, I also like having a shortcut to select _all_ occurrences. Would love for this to be added. More generally, this looks really awesome and also really enjoyed your team's blog post detailing the GPUI implementation (even though large parts of it went over my head)
      - porsager 4y ago
        Yes, these are an absolute must :) Came here looking specifically if this was possible. The cool thing is that is currently the only thing I've been missing after playing for a couple hours! I've tried vscode yearly to see if it had become tolerable, but alas. This is the first time I've tried something that might steal me away from Sublime. There's an issue for it: https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/75 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/75
    - adam_arthur 4y ago
      I couldn't find a way to show/hide various panels. e.g. line numbers, the bars with the (<- ->) arrows etc. Would be great to allow toggling visibility of each of these pieces via an action to maximize screen real estate. Really annoying in VSCode that they force you to go into settings for some of the visibility toggles. Of course, didn't spend very long investigating. Also after selecting VSCode keybindings, CMD+\ does not split the editor as it does in VSCode. Seems like a bug
    - quarkw 4y ago
      Having some kind of leader keybinding would be great along with something like "which-key" for discoverability. Checking out Spacemacs or Doom Emacs would give a clear idea of what I'm talking about. If unfamiliar with emacs, VSpaceCode is a VSCode extension that ports Spacemacs-style keybindings pretty successfully, although the UI is suboptimal due to limitations of VSCode extensions.
- AndroidKitKat 4y ago
  Re: Your Hackintosh The good news is that if you used OpenCore + vanilla macOS install (basically if you followed the excellent OpenCore Install Guide [1]) and don't have any weird hardware (Intel CPU + iGPU / AMD GPU) you can pretty much just perform updates as normal through Software Update. It is certainly important that you make a backup of your EFI (might as well make a backup of the entire drive you can restore to in case something goes wrong) as well as double check the OC guide to see if there's any snags to look out for when updating. One time-consuming thing I did when I ran a Hackintosh was to have a separate drive that I used as a macOS update test bed for major versions, and then if all went well I would perform the real update on my main drive. I would also recommend you look at /r/Hackintosh and maybe ask around there for any advice. Good luck! [1] - https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Install-Guide/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Install-Guide/
  - ezekg 4y ago
    > One time-consuming thing I did when I ran a Hackintosh was to have a separate drive that I used as a macOS update test bed for major versions, and then if all went well I would perform the real update on my main drive. This is a great idea. I'll probably give this a try. Last time I tried to update macOS (AMD GPU OpenCore build), I had to restore from backup. Haven't tried again since.
- rpadovani 4y ago
  The editor will be free, and they will monetize the network features (or so they say) https://zed.dev/faq#how-will-you-make-money https://zed.dev/faq#how-will-you-make-money
- maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
  Our plan is for the core editor to be free and open-source. We'll charge money for our backend service that powers collaboration in Zed. We have ambitious plans to improve the way that people work together on code. So far, on that front, we've been focused on real-time collaboration, but we have a lot of ideas for how we can improve asynchronous collaboration as well, by having discussions take place directly in the code editor.
  - johnm 4y ago
    A lot of us have been following along with Zed hoping that the clarity and action on the open sourcing front would be done or at least in the process of happening before the public beta but from what was shared in the podcast, it doesn't sound like any progress has been actually made on this front. Especially, since Zed does have a very clear distinction/dividing line of "completely functional local editor" == permissive open source vs. "all of the real-time & async collaboration features" == proprietary that is easy to explain. Frankly, I would happily pay for great, fully supported, high-quality real-time collaboration for my teams. Anyway, as you can see, not having any useful progress on this front instantly shuts down lots of people and there's many of us who won't even consider doing more than checking it out until this is done.
deburo 4y ago
Ahh bummer :/ > https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 > Hey y'all – We are excited that you all are excited to try Zed. Just want to make sure expectations are in check – We plan to release on multiple platforms for 1.0, but work on these has not even begun yet.
- nickstinemates 4y ago
  Developing on a mac is terrible; will take a look when other platforms are supported.
  - TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
    Only if you're trying to build for Windows.
    - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
      No macOS is a horrible developer platform in general. The only thing that makes it remotely viable is the tireless efforts of the Homebrew project. I can't imagine thinking macOS is a good programmer OS
      - eddieroger 4y ago
        I can't imagine not. Productivity on Windows is atrocious - I can't even launch an app without seeing an ad. And what is this Cortana and why does she want to help me so much? It works all ways. Let people like what they like. No one is forcing you to do anything on a Mac.
        DennisAleynikov 4y ago
        windows is equally as bad if not worse for me than macos. in no way would I suggest you use that.
      - zamalek 4y ago
toastercat 4y ago
Will it be open-source?
- maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
  Yeah, the plan is to open-source the editor itself before we release 1.0. We will probably keep some part of the collaboration system closed-source, so that we can build our business around that feature set. We have some work to do to decide exactly what will be closed source and separate that out from the rest of the application code.
  - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
    Awesome!
- benatkin 4y ago
  No.* From their FAQ: > Will Zed be open source? > We'd like to be as open as possible while maintaining the ability to run a profitable business. This probably means some kind of "open core" model, where the editor is available under the GPL but other parts of our system remain proprietary. The timeline and exact strategy are still uncertain at this stage. * It's a judgment call to call something open core open-source. This is my opinion. The "other parts of our system" makes it sound like vscode, which doesn't feel very open source now. https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ https://ghuntley.com/fracture/
bmelton 4y ago
My first thought was "Okay, sure, but how does it perform after I load it up full of essential plugins like vim mode and such" but seeing that vim mode is built-in is kind of amazing. It appears to be more limited than I'm used to (e.g. colon commands don't work, ergo :wq does not) -- but it is indeed extremely fast.
maxbond 4y ago
One of the creators was interviewed recently on this podcast https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/ https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/
INeedMoreRam 4y ago
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codethief 4y ago
* for MacOS :(
- DennisAleynikov 4y ago
  Cringe as usual
ClapperHeid 4y ago
It looks interesting but, given how Atom was abruptly taken out the back and put out of its misery, are many devs are going to invest the time in going all in on Zed? EDIT: Just had a look inside the app bundle to see if they were using Electron again. Looks like this is built round WebRTC instead. EDIT2: Actually the actual 'zed' binary is just under 284MB, so maybe Zed's not built round the WebRTC framework, but just uses it for networky stuff ??? The binary is pretty big by itself.
- euroderf 4y ago
  Atom's death was not so abrupt. It had a slow, lingering demise.
- noloblo 4y ago
  is it an electron app? like vs code?
  - gabrielgio 4y ago
    It does not seem like. They mention they have a custom GPU accelerated UI.
  - ClapperHeid 4y ago
    You got in before I edited my comment ^^
  - maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
    No. It's written in Rust, with a custom UI framework. More details in this blog post: https://zed.dev/blog/videogame https://zed.dev/blog/videogame
    - ClapperHeid 4y ago
      Yep. Looks like you're right >strings /Volumes/Zed/Zed.app/Contents/MacOS/zed | grep rust returns a load of references to 'rustc' and 'cargo'
dheera 4y ago
I'm really looking for a lighter-weight GUI editor. Too many random shortcut keys to memorize in Atom, and VS code is getting wayyyy to bloated. It always has an annoying welcome message at startup, annoying notifications about things I could install, and way too much text in the UI. I don't like settings and other dialogs being tabs alongside code, even though I know it hip to do that nowadays. I search for 'ssh plugin' and there about 35 of them. SSH remote editing is about the only "plugin" I need, and if it's built into the editor that would be nice. Very often I find myself going back to terminal vim because VS code has gotten to be too much, and also too annoying to deal with if I want to keep multiple projects' repos open at the same time.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  Sublime Text is by the most mature product in this category.
  - dheera 4y ago
    Yeah, but it's not free, and creating a ticket for purchasing a license for my work machine is a PITA. I'm sure the actual cost isn't an issue, and it would likely get approved, but the friction is there, the purchasing/reimbursement UI at my corp isn't nice.
- vlunkr 4y ago
  > and also too annoying to deal with if I want to keep multiple projects' repos open at the same time. This was a big annoyance for me when I tried vscode. Maybe it's atypical, but I'm typically accessing 3-5 different repos every day. Having to open a window instead of just quickly doing a cd and opening vim gets old fast.
- sargstuff 4y ago
  So define the random shortcut keys via GPT-3 & and use 'text to speech' to automate 'visual cues' using ar glasses[0] to avoid all the memorization? ar/vr glasses instead of Inkbox[1]/pierader[2] would make for 'ligher' gui. [0] Open source smart glasses : https://github.com/TeamOpenSmartGlasses/OpenSourceSmartGlasses https://github.com/TeamOpenSmartGlasses/OpenSourceSmartGlass... [1] : https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox [2] : https://gitlab.com/guyjeangilles/piereader https://gitlab.com/guyjeangilles/piereader
sjm 4y ago
No mention of extensibility is a big red flag, and if it isn't open-source it presents the same risk as anyone adopting Atom originally ended up getting burned by.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  I felt burned by the loss of Atom. Why is this project going to be different?
  - TremendousJudge 4y ago
    I'm so angry about Atom, I haven't been able to move on. I'm using Pulsar out of spite. I'd like to move to emacs (for all its faults, it will never do what Atom did) but I can't be arsed to learn to configure it so it works exactly the way I want it to. I don't have the energy to learn an entirely new tool, I don't know what to do.
    - threads2 4y ago
      I'm trying to learn emacs too - last night I kept ChatGPT open and asked it any questions I had ("what's the hotkey to open up a new window below the current one") and I'm getting better really quickly.
      - thow_away_34564 4y ago
        You all should check out the community Atom fork or Pulsar Editor (from some of the OG Atom dev team) https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://github.com/atom-community/atom/ https://github.com/atom-community/atom/
        TremendousJudge 4y ago
        Yes, I just said I'm using Pulsar. I don't think it has a future though, since the community seems to be gone (so all the extensions are unmaintained). Hopefully I'm wrong. For now I'll just keep using it until I run into something too broken to work around.
chongli 4y ago
Title is missing the biggest feature: it's written in Rust!
- rPlayer6554 4y ago
  Is that a feature?
- deleted 4y ago
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frou_dh 4y ago
To me it's a kinda distasteful design that despite being a graphical application, this is using monospaced font for the titlebar, tab headers, file tree, etc. Looks odd on Mac. In general Zed seems to be at a decent starting point though. Aside from its "multiplayer editing" aspect, it comes across like it has been very heavily influenced in terms of scope by Sublime.
- akaike 4y ago
  Same, I hate the used font. I’m in since closed beta and still waiting for the option to finally get rid of that default font
- jhasse 4y ago
  https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/446 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/446
chomp 4y ago
No PHP support which is a bummer, I'll keep checking back in though!
geodel 4y ago
Will download and setup. I hope they have sustainable business around it. For myself I do not mind ~$100 or so for a single version and upgrade in every couple of years if I find it useful. I have SublimeText and I will use both if this new editor has certain features to raise productivity.
jchw 4y ago
To save some clicks: > Currently, Zed only supports macOS. That was actually from June of last year. It makes sense to start with a limited scope, but given that it's reaching public beta without much consideration for platforms outside of macOS, I wonder if it will ever actually feel "native" elsewhere, or if it will wind up ossified with Apple-specific idiosyncrasies. Time will tell. Personally, I was mostly interested in their Rust GPUI library, but it hasn't been open sourced. (Yet; it does look like there is a plan to open source some of Zed, though obviously it's possible it never happens.) It sounded like a great idea and even in an early stage would probably be a great addition to the nascent ecosystem of Rust UI libraries.
- u320 4y ago
  It doesn't feel native on MacOS either, and wouldn't look any more out of place on Windows or Linux.
worldmerge 4y ago
I would love to see compiler integration with Zed. Like be able to hit run and it runs my rust code.
ibejoeb 4y ago
Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of Your Content, including without limitation chat, text, or voice communications. In the event that Zed pre-screens, refuses or removes any Content, you acknowledge that Zed will do so for Zed’s benefit, not yours. ---- Irrevocable consent.
- bluelightning2k 4y ago
  Wait WHAT. That sounds like an April fools license...
- throwawaymanbot 4y ago
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- jdc0589 4y ago
  yea, thats gonna be a no for me dawg
- version_five 4y ago
  Not in anyway justifying it, but is this for some kind of "social" feature or does it actually relate to code you write? I wonder if this is for some kind of content moderation law compliance? It's a shitty licence but exactly the behavior that's incentivized by governments imposing content moderation rules
  - u320 4y ago
    Yes this is for stuff you upload to their "service" whatever that is. It has nothing to do with the editor itself.
    - ibejoeb 4y ago
starkparker 4y ago
Closed-source editor built on a closed-source framework, telemetry built-in with no documented opt-out, hardcoded language servers, macOS only.
- paxys 4y ago
  It's like they took a look at everything that made Atom and VS Code so popular, and decided to do the exact opposite.
  - depr 4y ago
    Actually, no, Microsoft also likes to have closed source language servers or plugins like Pylance and part of the C# stuff.
- soco 4y ago
  Telemetry built-in with documented never-opt-out, actually.
- maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
  The moment that you open Zed for the first time, you see a welcome screen that offers telemetry opt-out. The editor will be open-source and cross-platform, but it takes time to build things.
  - witheld 4y ago
    You can, and should, build things in public. EDIT: I just don’t trust promises for things to be open source. Notch said Minecraft would be open source, and look where that went. A promise let’s you skip out on releasing the code if it turns out to be a convenient or profitable options.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    It should be opt-in
    - threatofrain 4y ago
ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
Nope sublime still feels faster, better with far more language support.
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bluelightning2k 4y ago
Cudos first of all on taking on such a big challenge, and seeming to do a good job of it. As someone who uses a lot of VSC plugins and commands I can't imagine switching any time soon (also no Windows support makes it a non starter for me personally) - but I can still be super impressed!
csunbird 4y ago
How does this compare to Pulsar-Edit? https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://pulsar-edit.dev/
topaz0 4y ago
When I clicked I had the vague sense that I had seen "code at the speed of thought" elsewhere, and a quick google showed that it's a pretty common thing for people to claim, especially about editors or related features. Maybe not the best choice of motto.
- vlunkr 4y ago
  There's a popular book on vim titled "Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought."
  - topaz0 4y ago
    Yeah a lot of them are vim-related one way or another. Not just that book but lots of blog posts etc.
jacooper 4y ago
Not open and only for macOS? No thank you.
Thaxll 4y ago
It's weird to show screenshot of an editor with white background, most programmers use dark themes right?
- lylejantzi3rd 4y ago
  I don't.
  - TremendousJudge 4y ago
    Me neither. I find white text on black background to be much harder on the eyes.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  For me it depends on the time of the day. Also I prefer light background on video call screen sharing for some reason I can't really articulate.
- lo_zamoyski 4y ago
  I don't know, but light text on dark backgrounds is more difficult for the eye to read. It takes more effort to discern the characters, thus causing more eye strain. (If your editor seems too bright to look at, I might suggest reducing your monitor's brightness.)
deegles 4y ago
I like the remote code editing feature. I would love a solution that lets me write code on my iPad, including running the code locally. If I could run a server at home and connect to it it would be great. Is there anything like that?
- vhodges 4y ago
  You can't run your code locally, but VSCode (but NOT VSCodium sadly) has a set of remote development plugins (ssh, containers, etc) that allow you to edit locally, run on a remote server. Also see code-server (https://github.com/coder/code-server https://github.com/coder/code-server) for another option.
willio58 4y ago
Looks interesting, especially around their "multiplayer" editing. I wish them success, we need more serious competition in this space. VSCode is so damn good I probably won't switch, but if this came to parity with some features in VSCode (especially the plugins I use) I could see myself making the jump.
dang 4y ago
Since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422 is a Show HN of the same project, we'll move the comments thither and re-up that one.
halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
None of the typical JVM languages supported, sad.
thefelix69 4y ago
Kmll
ckolkey 4y ago
Looks really nice, but I'll wait until you embed neovim :)
jmclnx 4y ago
Interesting, I use to use an editor called 'zed' on MS-DOS that cane with zortech c. This one looks a lot different :)
randcraw 4y ago
I just installed on my Monterey Macbook, but it won't launch. No window appears. I tried launching from a python file, still nothing. Well, if as you say in your site's vision section, "the editor should disappear", it seems you got it. WAIT. It took a full 5 minutes to come up the first time. So be forewarned.
bern4444 4y ago
I'm gonna stick with neovim - from the Zed homepage seems like its using all the same base technologies, Treesitter, LSP, and some out of the box support for the capabilities these base layers offer.
thow_away_34564 4y ago
I thought a lot of the Atom developers moved to create Pulsar Editor. https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://pulsar-edit.dev/ Also, the community forked Atom into a community edition (CE), still getting updates? https://github.com/atom-community/atom/ https://github.com/atom-community/atom/ What makes this "Atom Developer Editor" different than Pulsar or Atom-CE.
frankjr 4y ago
> Work with code on any machine Is there a headless mode similar to VS Code's Remote? I would like to launch a Zed server in a VM and connect to it from the host. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview
thinkharderdev 4y ago
Pretty nice. Gave it a whirl and a few thoughts: 1. Very performant. Opened a large(ish) rust project and the auto-completion and goto symbol were both very snappy. Scrolling is very smooth and haven't noticed any hiccups or pauses so far. 2. Doesn't seem like there is a way to disable font ligatures? I find them really annoying and wish I could disable. 3. Stuck with the built-in themes, none of which I particularly like. Overall seems very promising, will keep an eye on it.
thraizz 4y ago
The Changelog #531 has a great interview with Nathan Sobo. Until ui-based debugging, I will have to stick with other IDEs though, sadly. EDIT: At the end of said episode, Nathan talks about debuggers and mentions that users depending on that might have to wait a bit. So there’s that!
GuB-42 4y ago
They say performance on par to slightly better than Sublime Text, that's interesting, I like it when developers care about performance. Unfortunately, it is MacOS only, so I couldn't try. Performance turned me off from VSCode and brought me back to Sublime Text. VSCode is not that bad, and I use it occasionally, but the advantages it has over Sublime Text is not worth the performance penalty for me.
- johnm 4y ago
  IME, Zed's real & perceived performance is way better than Sublime.
  - iamnbutler 4y ago
    Disclaimer: I do work at Zed! I was actually pretty surprised when we did our measurements, and would say those numbers don't match the perceived performance (oe the feed. I haven't experienced an app that feels more fluid for basic things like scrolling before Zed – Obviously I have bias, but that is my 2c!
icandrive 4y ago
What a beautiful design. And it feels faster than Sublime 4. Using Treesitter + LSP out of the box like Helix makes Zed productive with zero config. Multi-buffers seems genuinely useful for project wide search panel as well as for cases where multi-line strings are used to define external file contents but miss out on syntax highlighting. Looking forward to trying the live collab features.
ChrisArchitect 4y ago
Show HN with developer over here, maybe should be this thread/merge Dang https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422
pcj-github 4y ago
Impressive start. What's the story on extensions / plugins? How are the existing languages supported? (LSP?)
omgmajk 4y ago
I really miss Atom...
syrusakbary 4y ago
I have no idea how this happened, but somehow after installing Zed, Zed now is the default editor for code files in my macOS (before, it was VS Code). And now I need to figure out wtf Zed did to undo it. Not cool.
- iamnbutler 4y ago
  Disclaimer: I work at Zed! This wasn't our intended behavior for this. A team member just dug into our implementation of LSHandlerRank and it looks like we are using "Default". Apple's definition of the "Default" rank is this: "This app is an opener of files of this type; this value is also used if no rank is specified". From our team member's investigation it looks like VSCode doesn't set any LSHandlerRank (which in theory from the definition above should be the same rank, but from your experience that doesn't seem correct.) Sublime uses uses "Alternate" as it's LSHandlerRank, which its definition is "this app is a secondary viewer of files of this type". We will audit what other editors set and discuss if it makes sense to change the rank we are using. Thanks for pointing this out.
throwawaysalome 4y ago
This thread is further proof why developers are the worst market to sell to. Frugal and distrustful are not what you want in a customer.
ossusermivami 4y ago
It's very nice but I just wish vim binding was a bit better, I know it's in beta/alpha at the moment so I'll wait for it for a bit until this gets improved.. (% is missed, and o in visual to go at the begin of the selection or end...)
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tasuki 4y ago
The only Zed I know is Zed A. Shaw, I suppose this isn't named after him?
barefootford 4y ago
Downloaded it and gave it a spin. Seems quick. The team collaboration features look great. Themes look fun. But. I switched from Sublime to VS Code in order to have a Copilot extension that works out of the box. I would love to see either a copilot extension or something integrated for ChatGPT. That has become a new essential these past few months and I'm willing to sacrifice some editor smoothness for it.
gabrielgio 4y ago
I'd like to see comparison with emacs and vim.
enzime4u 4y ago
Zed is nice, really nice, but has some issues on M1 from what I see... Fails to load the JS language server. On intel machines there's no error.
mendor 4y ago
when windows?! seriously I want to try this baby out!

223 points by activitypea 4y ago

This actually looks really, really good. Looks like I need to update macOS from 10.15.5 sometime soon. I use a Hackintosh, so this'll be fun (I've been putting it off because I finally got it to "work" and got scared/wanted to be productive again). Any idea on their plans to monetize? I assume they will eventually charge, since they raised a 10M series A.

activitypea 4y ago
No clue, I'm not affiliated with the devs in any way, I've just been very excited about it since one of the devs tweeted this: https://twitter.com/nathansobo/status/1498053586059620354 https://twitter.com/nathansobo/status/1498053586059620354 However, my first impressions of the keyboard navigation aren't great :(
- gleenn 4y ago
  Nathan was a former coworker of mine and he is not only an unbelievably talented software engineer but also one of the most humble and friendly guys I know. Glad he's still at it with Zed!
- maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
  What forms of keyboard navigation are you missing? We try to make sure everything is controllable from the keyboard.
  - activitypea 4y ago
    I haven't played enough with it to give good feedback, I've edited my comment to be more fair. * Seems to me that a lot of the keyboard shortcuts are chords or require hitting an arrow key, sometimes even both. Example: VS Code's default mapping for vertical split is cmd+backslash, but Zed requires cmd+k -> arrow key. * The project panel (file tree) doesn't support hjkl for navigation. The website says Vim mode is still under construction, but in my mind that applies to actual buffer editing, not general UI interactions. My impression is that today most editors, hell even a lot of websites, support hjkl or similar for navigation in cases where it doesn't conflict with anything else. My perspective is that "keyboard-focused" implies "ergonomic shortcuts and UI navigation without leaving the home row". If I'm gonna move my hand from the home row to reach the arrow keys, I might as well just reach for the mouse and get 10x the possible interactions. Anecdotally, I tested myself just now and I'm pretty sure it takes me more time to "find my footing" when I move my fingers to the arrow keys than it does to just grab a mouse and click something. This might be wrong expectations on my end, but my hope is that Zed can bring the powerful navigation of Doom Emacs/Spacemacs minus the bugginess and terrible performance of Emacs. Whenever the devs talked about Zed, I just imagined VSpaceCode without the jank that comes when you override 90% of an editor's default bindings. What I'm seeing from an hour of usage doesn't feel that much more powerful than VS Code in terms of keyboard navigation (kudos on the snappy performance though, it really is night and day). I'm aware this is an early beta, I just hope you folks agree and are going to push more in this direction.
    - johnm 4y ago
      Yeah, they don't seem to have any serious Emacs person in their team. So, like so many people who try and build editors in the last few decades, they seem to miss some fundamental things (while focusing on other worthy things like the core rope+crdt enabling fast local & collaborative editing). They talk about things like having a plug-in type system in the future based on e.g. WASM but, as you're pointing out, their fundamental perspective is built around the simplistic notion of a control panel with fixed functionality that's primarily accessed via a bizarre set of keymaps. On this front, might as well stick with JetBrains.
  - joshuabaker2 4y ago
    The first thing I always do when I go into any new editor is set up the "Select All Instances of highlighted word". So like how there is cmd-d for the next occurrence, I also like having a shortcut to select _all_ occurrences. Would love for this to be added. More generally, this looks really awesome and also really enjoyed your team's blog post detailing the GPUI implementation (even though large parts of it went over my head)
    - porsager 4y ago
      Yes, these are an absolute must :) Came here looking specifically if this was possible. The cool thing is that is currently the only thing I've been missing after playing for a couple hours! I've tried vscode yearly to see if it had become tolerable, but alas. This is the first time I've tried something that might steal me away from Sublime. There's an issue for it: https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/75 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/75
  - adam_arthur 4y ago
    I couldn't find a way to show/hide various panels. e.g. line numbers, the bars with the (<- ->) arrows etc. Would be great to allow toggling visibility of each of these pieces via an action to maximize screen real estate. Really annoying in VSCode that they force you to go into settings for some of the visibility toggles. Of course, didn't spend very long investigating. Also after selecting VSCode keybindings, CMD+\ does not split the editor as it does in VSCode. Seems like a bug
  - quarkw 4y ago
    Having some kind of leader keybinding would be great along with something like "which-key" for discoverability. Checking out Spacemacs or Doom Emacs would give a clear idea of what I'm talking about. If unfamiliar with emacs, VSpaceCode is a VSCode extension that ports Spacemacs-style keybindings pretty successfully, although the UI is suboptimal due to limitations of VSCode extensions.
AndroidKitKat 4y ago
Re: Your Hackintosh The good news is that if you used OpenCore + vanilla macOS install (basically if you followed the excellent OpenCore Install Guide [1]) and don't have any weird hardware (Intel CPU + iGPU / AMD GPU) you can pretty much just perform updates as normal through Software Update. It is certainly important that you make a backup of your EFI (might as well make a backup of the entire drive you can restore to in case something goes wrong) as well as double check the OC guide to see if there's any snags to look out for when updating. One time-consuming thing I did when I ran a Hackintosh was to have a separate drive that I used as a macOS update test bed for major versions, and then if all went well I would perform the real update on my main drive. I would also recommend you look at /r/Hackintosh and maybe ask around there for any advice. Good luck! [1] - https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Install-Guide/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Install-Guide/
- ezekg 4y ago
  > One time-consuming thing I did when I ran a Hackintosh was to have a separate drive that I used as a macOS update test bed for major versions, and then if all went well I would perform the real update on my main drive. This is a great idea. I'll probably give this a try. Last time I tried to update macOS (AMD GPU OpenCore build), I had to restore from backup. Haven't tried again since.
rpadovani 4y ago
The editor will be free, and they will monetize the network features (or so they say) https://zed.dev/faq#how-will-you-make-money https://zed.dev/faq#how-will-you-make-money
maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
Our plan is for the core editor to be free and open-source. We'll charge money for our backend service that powers collaboration in Zed. We have ambitious plans to improve the way that people work together on code. So far, on that front, we've been focused on real-time collaboration, but we have a lot of ideas for how we can improve asynchronous collaboration as well, by having discussions take place directly in the code editor.
- johnm 4y ago
  A lot of us have been following along with Zed hoping that the clarity and action on the open sourcing front would be done or at least in the process of happening before the public beta but from what was shared in the podcast, it doesn't sound like any progress has been actually made on this front. Especially, since Zed does have a very clear distinction/dividing line of "completely functional local editor" == permissive open source vs. "all of the real-time & async collaboration features" == proprietary that is easy to explain. Frankly, I would happily pay for great, fully supported, high-quality real-time collaboration for my teams. Anyway, as you can see, not having any useful progress on this front instantly shuts down lots of people and there's many of us who won't even consider doing more than checking it out until this is done.

deburo 4y ago

Ahh bummer :/ > https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 > Hey y'all – We are excited that you all are excited to try Zed. Just want to make sure expectations are in check – We plan to release on multiple platforms for 1.0, but work on these has not even begun yet.

nickstinemates 4y ago
Developing on a mac is terrible; will take a look when other platforms are supported.
- TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
  Only if you're trying to build for Windows.
  - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
    No macOS is a horrible developer platform in general. The only thing that makes it remotely viable is the tireless efforts of the Homebrew project. I can't imagine thinking macOS is a good programmer OS
    - eddieroger 4y ago
      I can't imagine not. Productivity on Windows is atrocious - I can't even launch an app without seeing an ad. And what is this Cortana and why does she want to help me so much? It works all ways. Let people like what they like. No one is forcing you to do anything on a Mac.
      - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
        windows is equally as bad if not worse for me than macos. in no way would I suggest you use that.
    - zamalek 4y ago

toastercat 4y ago

Will it be open-source?

maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
Yeah, the plan is to open-source the editor itself before we release 1.0. We will probably keep some part of the collaboration system closed-source, so that we can build our business around that feature set. We have some work to do to decide exactly what will be closed source and separate that out from the rest of the application code.
- DennisAleynikov 4y ago
  Awesome!
benatkin 4y ago
No.* From their FAQ: > Will Zed be open source? > We'd like to be as open as possible while maintaining the ability to run a profitable business. This probably means some kind of "open core" model, where the editor is available under the GPL but other parts of our system remain proprietary. The timeline and exact strategy are still uncertain at this stage. * It's a judgment call to call something open core open-source. This is my opinion. The "other parts of our system" makes it sound like vscode, which doesn't feel very open source now. https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

bmelton 4y ago

My first thought was "Okay, sure, but how does it perform after I load it up full of essential plugins like vim mode and such" but seeing that vim mode is built-in is kind of amazing. It appears to be more limited than I'm used to (e.g. colon commands don't work, ergo :wq does not) -- but it is indeed extremely fast.

maxbond 4y ago

One of the creators was interviewed recently on this podcast https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/ https://rustacean-station.org/episode/antonio-scandurra/

INeedMoreRam 4y ago

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codethief 4y ago

* for MacOS :(

DennisAleynikov 4y ago
Cringe as usual

ClapperHeid 4y ago

It looks interesting but, given how Atom was abruptly taken out the back and put out of its misery, are many devs are going to invest the time in going all in on Zed? EDIT: Just had a look inside the app bundle to see if they were using Electron again. Looks like this is built round WebRTC instead. EDIT2: Actually the actual 'zed' binary is just under 284MB, so maybe Zed's not built round the WebRTC framework, but just uses it for networky stuff ??? The binary is pretty big by itself.

euroderf 4y ago
Atom's death was not so abrupt. It had a slow, lingering demise.
noloblo 4y ago
is it an electron app? like vs code?
- gabrielgio 4y ago
  It does not seem like. They mention they have a custom GPU accelerated UI.
- ClapperHeid 4y ago
  You got in before I edited my comment ^^
- maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
  No. It's written in Rust, with a custom UI framework. More details in this blog post: https://zed.dev/blog/videogame https://zed.dev/blog/videogame
  - ClapperHeid 4y ago
    Yep. Looks like you're right >strings /Volumes/Zed/Zed.app/Contents/MacOS/zed | grep rust returns a load of references to 'rustc' and 'cargo'

dheera 4y ago

I'm really looking for a lighter-weight GUI editor. Too many random shortcut keys to memorize in Atom, and VS code is getting wayyyy to bloated. It always has an annoying welcome message at startup, annoying notifications about things I could install, and way too much text in the UI. I don't like settings and other dialogs being tabs alongside code, even though I know it hip to do that nowadays. I search for 'ssh plugin' and there about 35 of them. SSH remote editing is about the only "plugin" I need, and if it's built into the editor that would be nice. Very often I find myself going back to terminal vim because VS code has gotten to be too much, and also too annoying to deal with if I want to keep multiple projects' repos open at the same time.

nicoburns 4y ago
Sublime Text is by the most mature product in this category.
- dheera 4y ago
  Yeah, but it's not free, and creating a ticket for purchasing a license for my work machine is a PITA. I'm sure the actual cost isn't an issue, and it would likely get approved, but the friction is there, the purchasing/reimbursement UI at my corp isn't nice.
vlunkr 4y ago
> and also too annoying to deal with if I want to keep multiple projects' repos open at the same time. This was a big annoyance for me when I tried vscode. Maybe it's atypical, but I'm typically accessing 3-5 different repos every day. Having to open a window instead of just quickly doing a cd and opening vim gets old fast.
sargstuff 4y ago
So define the random shortcut keys via GPT-3 & and use 'text to speech' to automate 'visual cues' using ar glasses[0] to avoid all the memorization? ar/vr glasses instead of Inkbox[1]/pierader[2] would make for 'ligher' gui. [0] Open source smart glasses : https://github.com/TeamOpenSmartGlasses/OpenSourceSmartGlasses https://github.com/TeamOpenSmartGlasses/OpenSourceSmartGlass... [1] : https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox [2] : https://gitlab.com/guyjeangilles/piereader https://gitlab.com/guyjeangilles/piereader

sjm 4y ago

No mention of extensibility is a big red flag, and if it isn't open-source it presents the same risk as anyone adopting Atom originally ended up getting burned by.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
I felt burned by the loss of Atom. Why is this project going to be different?
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  I'm so angry about Atom, I haven't been able to move on. I'm using Pulsar out of spite. I'd like to move to emacs (for all its faults, it will never do what Atom did) but I can't be arsed to learn to configure it so it works exactly the way I want it to. I don't have the energy to learn an entirely new tool, I don't know what to do.
  - threads2 4y ago
    I'm trying to learn emacs too - last night I kept ChatGPT open and asked it any questions I had ("what's the hotkey to open up a new window below the current one") and I'm getting better really quickly.
    - thow_away_34564 4y ago
      You all should check out the community Atom fork or Pulsar Editor (from some of the OG Atom dev team) https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://github.com/atom-community/atom/ https://github.com/atom-community/atom/
      - TremendousJudge 4y ago
        Yes, I just said I'm using Pulsar. I don't think it has a future though, since the community seems to be gone (so all the extensions are unmaintained). Hopefully I'm wrong. For now I'll just keep using it until I run into something too broken to work around.

chongli 4y ago

Title is missing the biggest feature: it's written in Rust!

rPlayer6554 4y ago
Is that a feature?
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frou_dh 4y ago

To me it's a kinda distasteful design that despite being a graphical application, this is using monospaced font for the titlebar, tab headers, file tree, etc. Looks odd on Mac. In general Zed seems to be at a decent starting point though. Aside from its "multiplayer editing" aspect, it comes across like it has been very heavily influenced in terms of scope by Sublime.

akaike 4y ago
Same, I hate the used font. I’m in since closed beta and still waiting for the option to finally get rid of that default font
jhasse 4y ago
https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/446 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/446

chomp 4y ago

No PHP support which is a bummer, I'll keep checking back in though!

geodel 4y ago

Will download and setup. I hope they have sustainable business around it. For myself I do not mind ~$100 or so for a single version and upgrade in every couple of years if I find it useful. I have SublimeText and I will use both if this new editor has certain features to raise productivity.

jchw 4y ago

To save some clicks: > Currently, Zed only supports macOS. That was actually from June of last year. It makes sense to start with a limited scope, but given that it's reaching public beta without much consideration for platforms outside of macOS, I wonder if it will ever actually feel "native" elsewhere, or if it will wind up ossified with Apple-specific idiosyncrasies. Time will tell. Personally, I was mostly interested in their Rust GPUI library, but it hasn't been open sourced. (Yet; it does look like there is a plan to open source some of Zed, though obviously it's possible it never happens.) It sounded like a great idea and even in an early stage would probably be a great addition to the nascent ecosystem of Rust UI libraries.

u320 4y ago
It doesn't feel native on MacOS either, and wouldn't look any more out of place on Windows or Linux.

worldmerge 4y ago

I would love to see compiler integration with Zed. Like be able to hit run and it runs my rust code.

ibejoeb 4y ago

Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of Your Content, including without limitation chat, text, or voice communications. In the event that Zed pre-screens, refuses or removes any Content, you acknowledge that Zed will do so for Zed’s benefit, not yours. ---- Irrevocable consent.

bluelightning2k 4y ago
Wait WHAT. That sounds like an April fools license...
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jdc0589 4y ago
yea, thats gonna be a no for me dawg
version_five 4y ago
Not in anyway justifying it, but is this for some kind of "social" feature or does it actually relate to code you write? I wonder if this is for some kind of content moderation law compliance? It's a shitty licence but exactly the behavior that's incentivized by governments imposing content moderation rules
- u320 4y ago
  Yes this is for stuff you upload to their "service" whatever that is. It has nothing to do with the editor itself.
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starkparker 4y ago

Closed-source editor built on a closed-source framework, telemetry built-in with no documented opt-out, hardcoded language servers, macOS only.

paxys 4y ago
It's like they took a look at everything that made Atom and VS Code so popular, and decided to do the exact opposite.
- depr 4y ago
  Actually, no, Microsoft also likes to have closed source language servers or plugins like Pylance and part of the C# stuff.
soco 4y ago
Telemetry built-in with documented never-opt-out, actually.
maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
The moment that you open Zed for the first time, you see a welcome screen that offers telemetry opt-out. The editor will be open-source and cross-platform, but it takes time to build things.
- witheld 4y ago
  You can, and should, build things in public. EDIT: I just don’t trust promises for things to be open source. Notch said Minecraft would be open source, and look where that went. A promise let’s you skip out on releasing the code if it turns out to be a convenient or profitable options.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  It should be opt-in
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ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago

Nope sublime still feels faster, better with far more language support.

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bluelightning2k 4y ago

Cudos first of all on taking on such a big challenge, and seeming to do a good job of it. As someone who uses a lot of VSC plugins and commands I can't imagine switching any time soon (also no Windows support makes it a non starter for me personally) - but I can still be super impressed!

csunbird 4y ago

How does this compare to Pulsar-Edit? https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://pulsar-edit.dev/

topaz0 4y ago

When I clicked I had the vague sense that I had seen "code at the speed of thought" elsewhere, and a quick google showed that it's a pretty common thing for people to claim, especially about editors or related features. Maybe not the best choice of motto.

vlunkr 4y ago
There's a popular book on vim titled "Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought."
- topaz0 4y ago
  Yeah a lot of them are vim-related one way or another. Not just that book but lots of blog posts etc.

jacooper 4y ago

Not open and only for macOS? No thank you.

Thaxll 4y ago

It's weird to show screenshot of an editor with white background, most programmers use dark themes right?

lylejantzi3rd 4y ago
I don't.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  Me neither. I find white text on black background to be much harder on the eyes.
prmoustache 4y ago
For me it depends on the time of the day. Also I prefer light background on video call screen sharing for some reason I can't really articulate.
lo_zamoyski 4y ago
I don't know, but light text on dark backgrounds is more difficult for the eye to read. It takes more effort to discern the characters, thus causing more eye strain. (If your editor seems too bright to look at, I might suggest reducing your monitor's brightness.)

deegles 4y ago

I like the remote code editing feature. I would love a solution that lets me write code on my iPad, including running the code locally. If I could run a server at home and connect to it it would be great. Is there anything like that?

vhodges 4y ago
You can't run your code locally, but VSCode (but NOT VSCodium sadly) has a set of remote development plugins (ssh, containers, etc) that allow you to edit locally, run on a remote server. Also see code-server (https://github.com/coder/code-server https://github.com/coder/code-server) for another option.

willio58 4y ago

Looks interesting, especially around their "multiplayer" editing. I wish them success, we need more serious competition in this space. VSCode is so damn good I probably won't switch, but if this came to parity with some features in VSCode (especially the plugins I use) I could see myself making the jump.

dang 4y ago

Since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422 is a Show HN of the same project, we'll move the comments thither and re-up that one.

halfmatthalfcat 4y ago

None of the typical JVM languages supported, sad.

thefelix69 4y ago

Kmll

ckolkey 4y ago

Looks really nice, but I'll wait until you embed neovim :)

jmclnx 4y ago

Interesting, I use to use an editor called 'zed' on MS-DOS that cane with zortech c. This one looks a lot different :)

randcraw 4y ago

I just installed on my Monterey Macbook, but it won't launch. No window appears. I tried launching from a python file, still nothing. Well, if as you say in your site's vision section, "the editor should disappear", it seems you got it. WAIT. It took a full 5 minutes to come up the first time. So be forewarned.

bern4444 4y ago

I'm gonna stick with neovim - from the Zed homepage seems like its using all the same base technologies, Treesitter, LSP, and some out of the box support for the capabilities these base layers offer.

thow_away_34564 4y ago

I thought a lot of the Atom developers moved to create Pulsar Editor. https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://pulsar-edit.dev/ Also, the community forked Atom into a community edition (CE), still getting updates? https://github.com/atom-community/atom/ https://github.com/atom-community/atom/ What makes this "Atom Developer Editor" different than Pulsar or Atom-CE.

frankjr 4y ago

> Work with code on any machine Is there a headless mode similar to VS Code's Remote? I would like to launch a Zed server in a VM and connect to it from the host. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview

thinkharderdev 4y ago

Pretty nice. Gave it a whirl and a few thoughts: 1. Very performant. Opened a large(ish) rust project and the auto-completion and goto symbol were both very snappy. Scrolling is very smooth and haven't noticed any hiccups or pauses so far. 2. Doesn't seem like there is a way to disable font ligatures? I find them really annoying and wish I could disable. 3. Stuck with the built-in themes, none of which I particularly like. Overall seems very promising, will keep an eye on it.

thraizz 4y ago

The Changelog #531 has a great interview with Nathan Sobo. Until ui-based debugging, I will have to stick with other IDEs though, sadly. EDIT: At the end of said episode, Nathan talks about debuggers and mentions that users depending on that might have to wait a bit. So there’s that!

GuB-42 4y ago

They say performance on par to slightly better than Sublime Text, that's interesting, I like it when developers care about performance. Unfortunately, it is MacOS only, so I couldn't try. Performance turned me off from VSCode and brought me back to Sublime Text. VSCode is not that bad, and I use it occasionally, but the advantages it has over Sublime Text is not worth the performance penalty for me.

johnm 4y ago
IME, Zed's real & perceived performance is way better than Sublime.
- iamnbutler 4y ago
  Disclaimer: I do work at Zed! I was actually pretty surprised when we did our measurements, and would say those numbers don't match the perceived performance (oe the feed. I haven't experienced an app that feels more fluid for basic things like scrolling before Zed – Obviously I have bias, but that is my 2c!

icandrive 4y ago

What a beautiful design. And it feels faster than Sublime 4. Using Treesitter + LSP out of the box like Helix makes Zed productive with zero config. Multi-buffers seems genuinely useful for project wide search panel as well as for cases where multi-line strings are used to define external file contents but miss out on syntax highlighting. Looking forward to trying the live collab features.

ChrisArchitect 4y ago

Show HN with developer over here, maybe should be this thread/merge Dang https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35170422

pcj-github 4y ago

Impressive start. What's the story on extensions / plugins? How are the existing languages supported? (LSP?)

omgmajk 4y ago

I really miss Atom...

syrusakbary 4y ago

I have no idea how this happened, but somehow after installing Zed, Zed now is the default editor for code files in my macOS (before, it was VS Code). And now I need to figure out wtf Zed did to undo it. Not cool.

iamnbutler 4y ago
Disclaimer: I work at Zed! This wasn't our intended behavior for this. A team member just dug into our implementation of LSHandlerRank and it looks like we are using "Default". Apple's definition of the "Default" rank is this: "This app is an opener of files of this type; this value is also used if no rank is specified". From our team member's investigation it looks like VSCode doesn't set any LSHandlerRank (which in theory from the definition above should be the same rank, but from your experience that doesn't seem correct.) Sublime uses uses "Alternate" as it's LSHandlerRank, which its definition is "this app is a secondary viewer of files of this type". We will audit what other editors set and discuss if it makes sense to change the rank we are using. Thanks for pointing this out.

throwawaysalome 4y ago

This thread is further proof why developers are the worst market to sell to. Frugal and distrustful are not what you want in a customer.

ossusermivami 4y ago

It's very nice but I just wish vim binding was a bit better, I know it's in beta/alpha at the moment so I'll wait for it for a bit until this gets improved.. (% is missed, and o in visual to go at the begin of the selection or end...)

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tasuki 4y ago

The only Zed I know is Zed A. Shaw, I suppose this isn't named after him?

barefootford 4y ago

Downloaded it and gave it a spin. Seems quick. The team collaboration features look great. Themes look fun. But. I switched from Sublime to VS Code in order to have a Copilot extension that works out of the box. I would love to see either a copilot extension or something integrated for ChatGPT. That has become a new essential these past few months and I'm willing to sacrifice some editor smoothness for it.

gabrielgio 4y ago

I'd like to see comparison with emacs and vim.

enzime4u 4y ago

Zed is nice, really nice, but has some issues on M1 from what I see... Fails to load the JS language server. On intel machines there's no error.

mendor 4y ago

when windows?! seriously I want to try this baby out!