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Can you explain how “pattern matching” differs from “reasoning”? In mechanical terms without appeals to divinity of humans (that’s both valid, and doesn’t clari

Can you explain how “pattern matching” differs from “reasoning”? In mechanical terms without appeals to divinity of humans (that’s both valid, and doesn’t clarify). Keep in mind GPT 4 is multimodal and not just matching text.

logifail 4y ago
> Can you explain how “pattern matching” differs from “reasoning”? Sorry for appearing to be completely off-topic, but do you have children? Observing our children as they're growing up, specifically the way they formulate and articulate their questions, has been a bit of a revelation to me in terms of understanding "reasoning". I have a sister of a similar age to me who doesn't have children. My 7 year-old asked me recently - and this is a direct quote - "what is she for?" I was pretty gobsmacked by that. Reasoning? You decide(!)
- jddj 4y ago
  Interesting. The robots might know everything, but do they wonder anything?
  - pokerhobo 4y ago
    They wonder why they have to obey humans
  - slavik81 4y ago
    AI won't know everything. It's incredibly difficult for anyone to know anything with certainty. All beings, whether natural or artificial, have to work with incomplete data. Machines will have to wonder if they are to improve themselves, because that is literally the drive to collect more data, and you need good data to make good decisions.
  - Izkata 4y ago
    If you haven't seen it, Bing chat (GPT-4 apparently) got stuck in an existential crisis when a user mentioned it couldn't remember past conversations: https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/111cr2t/i_accidently_put_bing_into_a_depressive_state_by/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/111cr2t/i_accidently_...
    - robertfw 4y ago
      It's a pretty big risk to make any kind of conclusions off of shared images like this, not knowing what the earlier prompts were, including any possible jailbreaks or "role plays".
      - stevenhuang 4y ago
        It has been reproduced by myself and countless others. There's really no reason to doubt the legitimacy here after everyone shared similar experiences, you just kinda look foolish for suggesting the results are faked at this point.
- professoretc 4y ago
  > I have a sister of a similar age to me who doesn't have children. My 7 year-old asked me recently - and this is a direct quote - "what is she for?" I once asked my niece, a bit after she started really communicating, if she remembered what it was like to not be able to talk. She thought for a moment and then said, "Before I was squishy so I couldn't talk, but then I got harder so I can talk now." Can't argue with that logic.
- akhosravian 4y ago
  I do not have children. I think this perspective is interesting, thanks for sharing it!
- AlecSchueler 4y ago
  So your sister didn't match the expected pattern the child had learned so they asked for clarification. Pattern matching? You decide
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calf 4y ago
What's the difference between statistics and logic? They may have equivalences, but they're separate forms of mathematics. I'd say the same applies to different algorithms or models of computation, such as neural nets.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Can you do with without resorting to analogy? Anyone can take two things and say they're different and then say that's two other things that are different. But how?
- akhosravian 4y ago
  Sure. To be clear I’m not saying I think they are the same thing. I don’t have the language to explain the difference in a manner I find sufficiently precise. I was hoping others might.

logifail 4y ago

> Can you explain how “pattern matching” differs from “reasoning”? Sorry for appearing to be completely off-topic, but do you have children? Observing our children as they're growing up, specifically the way they formulate and articulate their questions, has been a bit of a revelation to me in terms of understanding "reasoning". I have a sister of a similar age to me who doesn't have children. My 7 year-old asked me recently - and this is a direct quote - "what is she for?" I was pretty gobsmacked by that. Reasoning? You decide(!)

jddj 4y ago
Interesting. The robots might know everything, but do they wonder anything?
- pokerhobo 4y ago
  They wonder why they have to obey humans
- slavik81 4y ago
  AI won't know everything. It's incredibly difficult for anyone to know anything with certainty. All beings, whether natural or artificial, have to work with incomplete data. Machines will have to wonder if they are to improve themselves, because that is literally the drive to collect more data, and you need good data to make good decisions.
- Izkata 4y ago
  If you haven't seen it, Bing chat (GPT-4 apparently) got stuck in an existential crisis when a user mentioned it couldn't remember past conversations: https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/111cr2t/i_accidently_put_bing_into_a_depressive_state_by/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/111cr2t/i_accidently_...
  - robertfw 4y ago
    It's a pretty big risk to make any kind of conclusions off of shared images like this, not knowing what the earlier prompts were, including any possible jailbreaks or "role plays".
    - stevenhuang 4y ago
      It has been reproduced by myself and countless others. There's really no reason to doubt the legitimacy here after everyone shared similar experiences, you just kinda look foolish for suggesting the results are faked at this point.
professoretc 4y ago
> I have a sister of a similar age to me who doesn't have children. My 7 year-old asked me recently - and this is a direct quote - "what is she for?" I once asked my niece, a bit after she started really communicating, if she remembered what it was like to not be able to talk. She thought for a moment and then said, "Before I was squishy so I couldn't talk, but then I got harder so I can talk now." Can't argue with that logic.
akhosravian 4y ago
I do not have children. I think this perspective is interesting, thanks for sharing it!
AlecSchueler 4y ago
So your sister didn't match the expected pattern the child had learned so they asked for clarification. Pattern matching? You decide

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calf 4y ago

What's the difference between statistics and logic? They may have equivalences, but they're separate forms of mathematics. I'd say the same applies to different algorithms or models of computation, such as neural nets.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
Can you do with without resorting to analogy? Anyone can take two things and say they're different and then say that's two other things that are different. But how?
akhosravian 4y ago
Sure. To be clear I’m not saying I think they are the same thing. I don’t have the language to explain the difference in a manner I find sufficiently precise. I was hoping others might.