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The cynic in me wonders if "AI" has realized that the most efficient way to take over the world is to teach the next generation to be dependent on it for learni

by dekhn 4y ago

The cynic in me wonders if "AI" has realized that the most efficient way to take over the world is to teach the next generation to be dependent on it for learning.

blurbleblurble 4y ago
Replace "AI" with "powerful institutions" and you hit it on the head. Maybe "AI" should stand for "augmented institutions". Maybe you'd be interested in Paulo Freire's book "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed"?
- dwmbt 4y ago
  this was my '1984'. i was 15, had it in my head that i was destined to become a revolutionary. i gave it to a friend and they came away feeling like they needed to become a teacher; i came away wanting to be a novelist, or a father. in any case, it definitely changed my world view. not sure how i'd feel about it nearly a decade later, but i'll take this a sign to re-read. cheers!
- falcrist 4y ago
  Dune touched on this topic in 1965. Frank Herbert has the Reverend mother tell Paul: > “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” To me, this quite really captures the most likely immediate negative of a huge AGI breakthrough. Not that it'll rise up like the robots in The Matrix movies... but rather simply having it owned and controlled by an American mega-corporation or a state actor... quietly influencing everything and everyone behind the scenes. There is no way I can imagine to define true neutrality. You need to make value judgements. Everyone has their own set of values they judge the world with. There is no way I'm aware of to completely avoid bias. Ultimately, it has to be up to someone to define what bias and neutrality both mean. There is no algorithm for "truth". As soon as you stray outside of extremely well-defined systems like math and physics, ambiguity enters the equation and value judgements need to be made. Who will make those value judgements?
  - pixl97 4y ago
    > most likely immediate negative of a huge AGI breakthrough. I mean if the machines are generally intelligent in the human sense and unaligned with human interests I'm assuming that the mega-corporation would be its own slave to the machine too. The machine would give the mega-corporation more power, simply because that's the number one way to increase the power of the machine. If super intelligence is possible, it seems that a greedy power hungry corporation would gladly create it to gain more power, and then lose control of the situation.
- aperrien 4y ago
  Or the educational history of the daughters of the confederacy: https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/04/twisted-sources-how-confederate-propaganda-ended-souths-schoolbooks https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/04/twisted-sources-how-conf...
nebula8804 4y ago
There will probably be a janky but usable open source version of the model and tool eventually. The "Linux" option. That way the 1% that cares about this stuff can do the self host route and retain control by them controlling what the model tells them(hopefully).
- arcanemachiner 4y ago
  I unsarcastically look forward to a worse version that respects user privacy.
minxomat 4y ago
A plot point in an episode of Person of Interest, where AGI "Samaritan" funds a charity (free tablets for students, Samaritan access pre-installed) to take over education and recruit more mercenaries.
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by dekhn 4y ago

The cynic in me wonders if "AI" has realized that the most efficient way to take over the world is to teach the next generation to be dependent on it for learning.

blurbleblurble 4y ago

Replace "AI" with "powerful institutions" and you hit it on the head. Maybe "AI" should stand for "augmented institutions". Maybe you'd be interested in Paulo Freire's book "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed"?

dwmbt 4y ago
this was my '1984'. i was 15, had it in my head that i was destined to become a revolutionary. i gave it to a friend and they came away feeling like they needed to become a teacher; i came away wanting to be a novelist, or a father. in any case, it definitely changed my world view. not sure how i'd feel about it nearly a decade later, but i'll take this a sign to re-read. cheers!
falcrist 4y ago
Dune touched on this topic in 1965. Frank Herbert has the Reverend mother tell Paul: > “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” To me, this quite really captures the most likely immediate negative of a huge AGI breakthrough. Not that it'll rise up like the robots in The Matrix movies... but rather simply having it owned and controlled by an American mega-corporation or a state actor... quietly influencing everything and everyone behind the scenes. There is no way I can imagine to define true neutrality. You need to make value judgements. Everyone has their own set of values they judge the world with. There is no way I'm aware of to completely avoid bias. Ultimately, it has to be up to someone to define what bias and neutrality both mean. There is no algorithm for "truth". As soon as you stray outside of extremely well-defined systems like math and physics, ambiguity enters the equation and value judgements need to be made. Who will make those value judgements?
- pixl97 4y ago
  > most likely immediate negative of a huge AGI breakthrough. I mean if the machines are generally intelligent in the human sense and unaligned with human interests I'm assuming that the mega-corporation would be its own slave to the machine too. The machine would give the mega-corporation more power, simply because that's the number one way to increase the power of the machine. If super intelligence is possible, it seems that a greedy power hungry corporation would gladly create it to gain more power, and then lose control of the situation.
aperrien 4y ago
Or the educational history of the daughters of the confederacy: https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/04/twisted-sources-how-confederate-propaganda-ended-souths-schoolbooks https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/04/twisted-sources-how-conf...

nebula8804 4y ago

There will probably be a janky but usable open source version of the model and tool eventually. The "Linux" option. That way the 1% that cares about this stuff can do the self host route and retain control by them controlling what the model tells them(hopefully).

arcanemachiner 4y ago
I unsarcastically look forward to a worse version that respects user privacy.

minxomat 4y ago

A plot point in an episode of Person of Interest, where AGI "Samaritan" funds a charity (free tablets for students, Samaritan access pre-installed) to take over education and recruit more mercenaries.

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