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How is it a 20th century phenomenon? In the past we had barely no movement in comparison with today and at least here you actually had to apply for permission t

How is it a 20th century phenomenon? In the past we had barely no movement in comparison with today and at least here you actually had to apply for permission to move away. The whole welfare system is based on the requirement that it only applies to a selected few and adults today support the elderly so they can retire under the assumption that children will pay the adults for their retirement. If you open up the welfare system for 7 billion people that haven't contributed, it will all collapse.

the_mar 4y ago
Btw people on work visas have no access to welfare, despite paying taxes that fund the welfare just the same. Permanent residents have some access to welfare, but there isn’t a straightforward path from work visa to green card. Who is suggesting US welfare has to support 7 billion people?
- suddenclarity 4y ago
  > Who is suggesting US welfare has to support 7 billion people? That's the result from advocating free movement or no borders considering stats such as 52% of Africa's youth wanting to relocate to Europe or US. Unless you dismantle the welfare state. But it's possible that I misunderstood what the person meant with the 20th century comment.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    No one is advocating for no borders here. Most people are saying that the time given to h1b visa holders to find a new job is too short. Opening US borders for a free-for-all would be of course a disaster. But even that is a bit of a stretch to say that entire world’s population would move to the US.
AdamN 4y ago
> In the past we had barely no movement in comparison with today People used to be highly mobile (and continue to be). The Americas were settled by millions of Europeans and Africans before the United States even became a country. South Asians were moved to Africa during the colonial era en masse. Vikings settled all over Europe and even Istanbul. The Huns, Goths, Romans, were all on the move.

the_mar 4y ago

Btw people on work visas have no access to welfare, despite paying taxes that fund the welfare just the same. Permanent residents have some access to welfare, but there isn’t a straightforward path from work visa to green card. Who is suggesting US welfare has to support 7 billion people?

suddenclarity 4y ago
> Who is suggesting US welfare has to support 7 billion people? That's the result from advocating free movement or no borders considering stats such as 52% of Africa's youth wanting to relocate to Europe or US. Unless you dismantle the welfare state. But it's possible that I misunderstood what the person meant with the 20th century comment.
- the_mar 4y ago
  No one is advocating for no borders here. Most people are saying that the time given to h1b visa holders to find a new job is too short. Opening US borders for a free-for-all would be of course a disaster. But even that is a bit of a stretch to say that entire world’s population would move to the US.

AdamN 4y ago

> In the past we had barely no movement in comparison with today People used to be highly mobile (and continue to be). The Americas were settled by millions of Europeans and Africans before the United States even became a country. South Asians were moved to Africa during the colonial era en masse. Vikings settled all over Europe and even Istanbul. The Huns, Goths, Romans, were all on the move.