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You're absolutely correct. I preach the carnivore diet as well, and people on Hacker News constantly spew contempt at me for doing that, but the carnivore diet

You're absolutely correct. I preach the carnivore diet as well, and people on Hacker News constantly spew contempt at me for doing that, but the carnivore diet really works. It is practically a panacea.

shlant 4y ago
>It is practically a panacea Biggest diet dogma red flag. It sounds like you might be spending too much time in an echo chamber. inb4 << a bunch of anecdotes >>
lambdaba 4y ago
So do I... There is a (literally) visceral feeling you get when eliminating plants (and frankly, even most supplements except minerals) that the gut is finally at rest / not disturbed, it becomes impossible to ignore that our digestive apparatus is primarily adapted for eating meat. Judging from the many anecdotes I've come across, breakdown of the gut barrier brought about / contributed by most plants is at the root of many diseases. Not the sole cause, I think gut microbiome disruption plays a big part in the bad effects from plants, but that's another story and there doesn't seem to be a solution for that yet (not enough to just chug copious amounts of probiotics).
- shlant 4y ago
  > breakdown of the gut barrier brought about / contributed by most plants is at the root of many diseases And yet we have a unending amount of evidence that consuming plants results in better health outcomes...
  - lambdaba 4y ago
    This is discussing a strict carnivore (meat ONLY) diet. I'm not aware of such a comparison.
    - shlant 4y ago
      what comparison? If what you are saying is true - that eating plants = bad gut health = bad health outcomes - then we would see that in the data but instead we see the opposite.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  Would you say that cows are adapted for eating plants? Because boy do those animals fart, even just standing there in a field eating grass. I don't know what a gut "at rest" means, but I would suggest that it's not necessarily indicative of a diet that you're adapted to. In fact it seems like it's more of a psychological thing than anything else.
  - lambdaba 4y ago
    Why would you dismiss it as "psychological" while admitting that you don't know what it means? Have you ever fasted? It feels like that. Re: cows. They have a rumen. And they are aided by bacteria to convert the plant matter into usable energy.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      Because it seems like the sort of thing something would say when they want to observe a change to justify a choice. And yes, cows are specifically adapted to consume plants and their guts are noisy. I'm using this as an example that just because you sensed a quieting in your intestines it doesn't mean it's positive. I'm admitting I don't know what it means and provided an example where a loud gut is indicative of adaptation, but you seem to be under the impression a quiet gut is a good thing. If you're using fasting as the comparison that seems to indicate you aren't digesting much at all, and I don't know how that's positive if your intestines are full.
      - lambdaba 4y ago
        I'm doing this for health reasons (as are hundreds of thousands of others, see "carnivore diet" or "zerocarb"). I was just sharing an observation I had because prior to eating this way I always had gut issues.
        SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        In that case I honestly hope that you have luck with this diet. But keep in mind that millions of people in the 90's would have used health reasons as the reason they are cutting out animal fats and switching to margarine. It's hard to tell what's a harmful diet fad until it's over.
AlexandrB 4y ago
You realize that you're basically the stereotype of a vegan - preaching the ethical/health benefits of their diet - just with a different dietary preference?
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  What’s the ethic he’s preaching? Save the plants?
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    Isn't this a strike against the carnivore diet? Not only do I have to restrict myself to a narrow range of foods, but there's not even an ethical benefit to doing so. Why would one "preach" something like this? So it's worse than stereotypical veganism?
- jononomo 4y ago
  The difference is that I have better arguments on my side, both from a health and from an environmental perspective, than the vegans do. I get that some people think Trump won the 2020 election and some people think he lost the 2020 election, and so faux-sophisticates will just throw up their hands and say “who knows who is right?”, but I am of the camp that believes in reason and evidence. If you think the vegans have the better argument then you are free to eat that way and further the destruction of the planet while rationalizing away your ill health, of course. Bummer for you, but it’s a free country.

shlant 4y ago

>It is practically a panacea Biggest diet dogma red flag. It sounds like you might be spending too much time in an echo chamber. inb4 << a bunch of anecdotes >>

lambdaba 4y ago

So do I... There is a (literally) visceral feeling you get when eliminating plants (and frankly, even most supplements except minerals) that the gut is finally at rest / not disturbed, it becomes impossible to ignore that our digestive apparatus is primarily adapted for eating meat. Judging from the many anecdotes I've come across, breakdown of the gut barrier brought about / contributed by most plants is at the root of many diseases. Not the sole cause, I think gut microbiome disruption plays a big part in the bad effects from plants, but that's another story and there doesn't seem to be a solution for that yet (not enough to just chug copious amounts of probiotics).

shlant 4y ago
> breakdown of the gut barrier brought about / contributed by most plants is at the root of many diseases And yet we have a unending amount of evidence that consuming plants results in better health outcomes...
- lambdaba 4y ago
  This is discussing a strict carnivore (meat ONLY) diet. I'm not aware of such a comparison.
  - shlant 4y ago
    what comparison? If what you are saying is true - that eating plants = bad gut health = bad health outcomes - then we would see that in the data but instead we see the opposite.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
Would you say that cows are adapted for eating plants? Because boy do those animals fart, even just standing there in a field eating grass. I don't know what a gut "at rest" means, but I would suggest that it's not necessarily indicative of a diet that you're adapted to. In fact it seems like it's more of a psychological thing than anything else.
- lambdaba 4y ago
  Why would you dismiss it as "psychological" while admitting that you don't know what it means? Have you ever fasted? It feels like that. Re: cows. They have a rumen. And they are aided by bacteria to convert the plant matter into usable energy.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    Because it seems like the sort of thing something would say when they want to observe a change to justify a choice. And yes, cows are specifically adapted to consume plants and their guts are noisy. I'm using this as an example that just because you sensed a quieting in your intestines it doesn't mean it's positive. I'm admitting I don't know what it means and provided an example where a loud gut is indicative of adaptation, but you seem to be under the impression a quiet gut is a good thing. If you're using fasting as the comparison that seems to indicate you aren't digesting much at all, and I don't know how that's positive if your intestines are full.
    - lambdaba 4y ago
      I'm doing this for health reasons (as are hundreds of thousands of others, see "carnivore diet" or "zerocarb"). I was just sharing an observation I had because prior to eating this way I always had gut issues.
      - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        In that case I honestly hope that you have luck with this diet. But keep in mind that millions of people in the 90's would have used health reasons as the reason they are cutting out animal fats and switching to margarine. It's hard to tell what's a harmful diet fad until it's over.

AlexandrB 4y ago

You realize that you're basically the stereotype of a vegan - preaching the ethical/health benefits of their diet - just with a different dietary preference?

nonethewiser 4y ago
What’s the ethic he’s preaching? Save the plants?
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  Isn't this a strike against the carnivore diet? Not only do I have to restrict myself to a narrow range of foods, but there's not even an ethical benefit to doing so. Why would one "preach" something like this? So it's worse than stereotypical veganism?
jononomo 4y ago
The difference is that I have better arguments on my side, both from a health and from an environmental perspective, than the vegans do. I get that some people think Trump won the 2020 election and some people think he lost the 2020 election, and so faux-sophisticates will just throw up their hands and say “who knows who is right?”, but I am of the camp that believes in reason and evidence. If you think the vegans have the better argument then you are free to eat that way and further the destruction of the planet while rationalizing away your ill health, of course. Bummer for you, but it’s a free country.