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Hopefully we can change that in the future - people have been displaced over the centuries (and worse) but what you're saying is such a 20th century phenomenon
by AdamN 4y ago
Hopefully we can change that in the future - people have been displaced over the centuries (and worse) but what you're saying is such a 20th century phenomenon that I'd like to see us move forward to better structures.
- hsn915 4y agoHopefully that does not change in the future. If anyone could just go anywhere that would be a terrible dystopian future.
- the_af 4y agoWhy?
- mantas 4y agoThere're many small countries where natives could be easily outnumbered by newcomers.
- the_mar 4y agoRight fuck those people who want to live outside of the place they were born in. /s
- mantas 4y agoNo, let people in other places live as they're used to and don't get overrun and outpriced of their home.
- the_mar 4y agoYour outrage is misplaced. I am an immigrant tech worker, I too can't afford shit in San Francisco. I do not think immigrants are the problem here
- mantas 4y agoSF is a problem is we'd consider any non-San Franciscans as immigrants. And, given size of US, it would be correct. I'm really sorry for the old San Franciscans of the old era. It sucks when your city becomes a magnet of big money.
- the_mar 4y agoWell, the opposite, as in your city falling in despair sure sucks more. People wanting to live in San Francisco aren’t the problem, housing red tape and nimbys are
- suddenclarity 4y agoHow is it a 20th century phenomenon? In the past we had barely no movement in comparison with today and at least here you actually had to apply for permission to move away. The whole welfare system is based on the requirement that it only applies to a selected few and adults today support the elderly so they can retire under the assumption that children will pay the adults for their retirement. If you open up the welfare system for 7 billion people that haven't contributed, it will all collapse.
- the_mar 4y agoBtw people on work visas have no access to welfare, despite paying taxes that fund the welfare just the same. Permanent residents have some access to welfare, but there isn’t a straightforward path from work visa to green card. Who is suggesting US welfare has to support 7 billion people?
- suddenclarity 4y ago> Who is suggesting US welfare has to support 7 billion people? That's the result from advocating free movement or no borders considering stats such as 52% of Africa's youth wanting to relocate to Europe or US. Unless you dismantle the welfare state. But it's possible that I misunderstood what the person meant with the 20th century comment.
- the_mar 4y agoNo one is advocating for no borders here. Most people are saying that the time given to h1b visa holders to find a new job is too short. Opening US borders for a free-for-all would be of course a disaster. But even that is a bit of a stretch to say that entire world’s population would move to the US.
- AdamN 4y ago> In the past we had barely no movement in comparison with today People used to be highly mobile (and continue to be). The Americas were settled by millions of Europeans and Africans before the United States even became a country. South Asians were moved to Africa during the colonial era en masse. Vikings settled all over Europe and even Istanbul. The Huns, Goths, Romans, were all on the move.