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I think Andrew raises a good point which is: how exactly do we raise awareness of these sort of dark patterns that are tantamount to fraud in many cases (he cit
by urbandw311er 4y ago
I think Andrew raises a good point which is: how exactly do we raise awareness of these sort of dark patterns that are tantamount to fraud in many cases (he cites the “mum test” which I entirely agree with)
Is there a lobby group, or a company that focuses on targeting and shaming these things? I would be 100% up for devoting a few hours a month, or even paid employment, to bringing these sort of people down.
- cwkoss 4y agoHell yeah, I'd be down too.
- ChainOfFools 4y agoYour targets have hundreds of millions of dollars to thwart your group, whether legally or with counter messaging, or through lobbying. Your group, being paid by a trickle of donations, is highly dependent on maintaining high motivation in order to marshall the energy necessary to go at this day in and day out for what could be years or even decades of frustrating, unrewarded effort. This is a fundamental problem with large scale fraud, which is that the fraudsters have the money and the established networks first, and everyone has to fight to claw it back from their grasp while also disrupting the networks that enabled the fraud to grow in the first place. The "everyone" being those from whom the money is being taken, who are therefore that much less equipped to mount a sustained attack. tl;dr you'll be battling the bullshit asymmetry principle, except with money
- cwkoss 4y agoI feel like the main problem is that the practice is so pervasive and diffuse its hard to focus attention on a particular target. The most effective course of action is to adopt a strategy of intentional unfairness: pick one offender at semi-random and focus on maximally punishing them using all legally available remedies until they change. If we could coordinate and focus all the diffuse hatred people have for these practices on one target at a time, I think it could be forceful enough to create change.
- IG_Semmelweiss 4y agoThis sounds like a Thiel-funded or kickstarter fundraising lawsuit.
- pksebben 4y agoI would contribute to this Kickstarter.
- atlasunshrugged 4y agoThe closest thing I'm aware of is the Stanford group that took over the Dark Patterns Tip Line https://darkpatternstipline.org/ https://darkpatternstipline.org/
- urbandw311er 4y agoThx for the share, I didn't know about this. Any idea if they're successful in terms of concrete results / awareness?