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It can’t hurt, but I don’t think something like this is really going to fix the problem. Dams, water levels abs temperatures, ocean trawling, acidification … th

It can’t hurt, but I don’t think something like this is really going to fix the problem. Dams, water levels abs temperatures, ocean trawling, acidification … there’s lots and lots of stress on salmon population aside from anglers.

mikeg8 4y ago
Fixing a multifaceted problem requires multifaceted solutions. It can definitely help.
- NegativeLatency 4y ago
  The publicity from the cancelation seems like a really valuable aspect too
  - kposehn 4y ago
    Absolutely. We definitely need to put a spotlight on this and other dwindling fish stocks. Even though there are other populations to draw from, once they're gone they are very, very hard to get back.
NegativeLatency 4y ago
Car tire debris: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/coho-salmon-pollution-car-tires-die-off https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/coho-sal...
- nradov 4y ago
  Local divers have been removing some tires but they can only get a tiny fraction of what has been dumped. https://www.leeoceans.org/initiatives/ptlobos-tire-removal https://www.leeoceans.org/initiatives/ptlobos-tire-removal
hadlock 4y ago
There was a bombshell report about an immediate moratorium on crab fishing in Alaska, that came out of nowhere, seemingly. About a month later there was a (very, very quiet) report justifying the moratorium. The short version is that effectively scientists had been asking for reduction in fishing in the area for decades and finally the remaining stock in the area was so low it was critically endangering the ecosystem there. So they finally put in a hard stop after years of kicking the can down the road. I suspect we'll see additional cessation of fishing in other areas as it further unravels that we've been chronically overfishing for decades. Britain after WW2 overharvested mackerel from their seas for so long that they had to put permanent fishing quotas and even today the mackerel have not fully recovered from overfishing over half a century ago. Anglers have an enormous impact on fish and wildlife stocks.
- qqtt 4y ago
  See also cod fishing in Newfoundland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_fishing_in_Newfoundland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_fishing_in_Newfoundland Cod stocks collapsed in the early 1990s, with a moratorium on fishing enacted in 1993. It took until 2011 for signs to show that the ecosystem was recovering.
  - BrianHenryIE 4y ago
    The Atlantic (2016) is a good documentary on natural resources in Ireland and Newfoundland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRHSWGYNFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRHSWGYNFc https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5744820/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5744820/
  - steve_adams_86 4y ago
    My understanding is that the cod are not expected to recover to numbers previously seen at all, though. The smaller number present today seem likely to comprise a permanently smaller proportion of the new habitat that has formed in their absence. I looked into this many years ago so perhaps that has changed. I hope so. Otherwise it means the Canadian Atlantic was irreparably altered by modern fishing in the blink of an eye, and the rest of the world is working hard at doing the same thing right now.
kposehn 4y ago
It won't fix it for sure, but it will help. Reducing the pressure on the population can go a long way to improving future prospects.
mbgerring 4y ago
Luckily, the dams start coming down this year. https://www.opb.org/article/2022/11/18/klamath-river-dam-removal-southern-oregon-dams-northern-california-drought https://www.opb.org/article/2022/11/18/klamath-river-dam-rem...
ROTMetro 4y ago
To add to the doom and gloom. https://www.science.org/content/article/common-tire-chemical-implicated-mysterious-deaths-risk-salmon https://www.science.org/content/article/common-tire-chemical...

mikeg8 4y ago

Fixing a multifaceted problem requires multifaceted solutions. It can definitely help.

NegativeLatency 4y ago
The publicity from the cancelation seems like a really valuable aspect too
- kposehn 4y ago
  Absolutely. We definitely need to put a spotlight on this and other dwindling fish stocks. Even though there are other populations to draw from, once they're gone they are very, very hard to get back.

NegativeLatency 4y ago

Car tire debris: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/coho-salmon-pollution-car-tires-die-off https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/coho-sal...

nradov 4y ago
Local divers have been removing some tires but they can only get a tiny fraction of what has been dumped. https://www.leeoceans.org/initiatives/ptlobos-tire-removal https://www.leeoceans.org/initiatives/ptlobos-tire-removal

hadlock 4y ago

There was a bombshell report about an immediate moratorium on crab fishing in Alaska, that came out of nowhere, seemingly. About a month later there was a (very, very quiet) report justifying the moratorium. The short version is that effectively scientists had been asking for reduction in fishing in the area for decades and finally the remaining stock in the area was so low it was critically endangering the ecosystem there. So they finally put in a hard stop after years of kicking the can down the road. I suspect we'll see additional cessation of fishing in other areas as it further unravels that we've been chronically overfishing for decades. Britain after WW2 overharvested mackerel from their seas for so long that they had to put permanent fishing quotas and even today the mackerel have not fully recovered from overfishing over half a century ago. Anglers have an enormous impact on fish and wildlife stocks.

qqtt 4y ago
See also cod fishing in Newfoundland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_fishing_in_Newfoundland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_fishing_in_Newfoundland Cod stocks collapsed in the early 1990s, with a moratorium on fishing enacted in 1993. It took until 2011 for signs to show that the ecosystem was recovering.
- BrianHenryIE 4y ago
  The Atlantic (2016) is a good documentary on natural resources in Ireland and Newfoundland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRHSWGYNFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRHSWGYNFc https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5744820/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5744820/
- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  My understanding is that the cod are not expected to recover to numbers previously seen at all, though. The smaller number present today seem likely to comprise a permanently smaller proportion of the new habitat that has formed in their absence. I looked into this many years ago so perhaps that has changed. I hope so. Otherwise it means the Canadian Atlantic was irreparably altered by modern fishing in the blink of an eye, and the rest of the world is working hard at doing the same thing right now.

kposehn 4y ago

It won't fix it for sure, but it will help. Reducing the pressure on the population can go a long way to improving future prospects.

mbgerring 4y ago

Luckily, the dams start coming down this year. https://www.opb.org/article/2022/11/18/klamath-river-dam-removal-southern-oregon-dams-northern-california-drought https://www.opb.org/article/2022/11/18/klamath-river-dam-rem...

ROTMetro 4y ago

To add to the doom and gloom. https://www.science.org/content/article/common-tire-chemical-implicated-mysterious-deaths-risk-salmon https://www.science.org/content/article/common-tire-chemical...