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> Last year, 196,000 adult fish were expected to return to the Sacramento River to spawn but only 60,000 showed up. 70% decline If your business depends on th

> Last year, 196,000 adult fish were expected to return to the Sacramento River to spawn but only 60,000 showed up. 70% decline If your business depends on this fishing season, what do you do? Go bartend?

comonoid 4y ago
I saw a bartender fishing in 2020 when everything was closed. So, why not?
SQueeeeeL 4y ago
I'm not sure if it's in the best long term interest of the entire state if a few niche businesses based entirely around salmon fishing have a bad year. The calculus is those businesses will either struggle now or struggle forever when most of the fish are gone
nradov 4y ago
Start a catfish farm. https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/reeling-in-the-dough-california-catfish-proving-to-be-big-business/103-474274760 https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/reeling-in-the-doug...
- geraldwhen 4y ago
  Catfish is not great.
  - aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 4y ago
    It's hardly a substitute for salmon.
    - nradov 4y ago
      Some people prefer catfish over salmon. Tastes vary. Catfish is a pretty good substitute for salmon in terms of macronutrients. Salmon does have higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids. But catfish may be safer in terms of heavy metals and other toxins, depending on where the fish were raised.
    - elevaet 4y ago
      No, but it's a very sustainable fishery (and way tastier than tilapia IMO, the other popular land-based-farm fish)
  - hinkley 4y ago
    As a former midwesterner I cannot understand why catfish shows up on coastal menus. For the lulz? Outside of New Orleans, the only other useful preparation of catfish is pet food.
mrguyorama 4y ago
In my state, all the lobster fishing people have a "co op" to jointly decide how to manage the public resource of the fish in our waters so that they can come together and make the kind of conservation decisions together, and create some force to prevent anyone from defecting and catching everything in a down year. This gives them more stability year to year and a little bit of possible price fixing. Just don't call it a union.
- InitialLastName 4y ago
  > Just don't call it a union. Of course not. The more accurate word is "cartel" (note: I see management of a shared resource as a perfectly legitimate justification for cartel behavior).
- mulmen 4y ago
  Why is a private organization managing a public resource? Shouldn’t a government agency do that?
- ipaddr 4y ago
  How do they stop rogue operators?
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    Since it's literally a good old boy network, probably with threats and violence or maybe they have legal backing? I don't know the legal details, I just know they set the rules and they voluntarily reduce fishing seasons to keep stock at healthy levels.
myshpa 4y ago
>> 196,000 adult fish were expected to return > If your business depends on this fishing season It seems that there's more people than fish. Draughts, overfishing, pollution ... not much perspective in that. If I may ... plant based has a future, fishing ... not so sure.
swatcoder 4y ago
If I set up shop as a Blackberry developer and RIM goes out of business, I have a tough year as I regroup and figure out next steps for myself. Every business has dependencies outside of its control, and yeah, sometimes you may have to go bartend for a bit. It sucks, but business never comes with total guarantees. Planning for this stuff can help.
Teever 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery#Impact_on_Newfoundland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...
twblalock 4y ago
Catch different kinds of fish.

comonoid 4y ago

I saw a bartender fishing in 2020 when everything was closed. So, why not?

SQueeeeeL 4y ago

I'm not sure if it's in the best long term interest of the entire state if a few niche businesses based entirely around salmon fishing have a bad year. The calculus is those businesses will either struggle now or struggle forever when most of the fish are gone

nradov 4y ago

Start a catfish farm. https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/reeling-in-the-dough-california-catfish-proving-to-be-big-business/103-474274760 https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/reeling-in-the-doug...

geraldwhen 4y ago
Catfish is not great.
- aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 4y ago
  It's hardly a substitute for salmon.
  - nradov 4y ago
    Some people prefer catfish over salmon. Tastes vary. Catfish is a pretty good substitute for salmon in terms of macronutrients. Salmon does have higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids. But catfish may be safer in terms of heavy metals and other toxins, depending on where the fish were raised.
  - elevaet 4y ago
    No, but it's a very sustainable fishery (and way tastier than tilapia IMO, the other popular land-based-farm fish)
- hinkley 4y ago
  As a former midwesterner I cannot understand why catfish shows up on coastal menus. For the lulz? Outside of New Orleans, the only other useful preparation of catfish is pet food.

mrguyorama 4y ago

In my state, all the lobster fishing people have a "co op" to jointly decide how to manage the public resource of the fish in our waters so that they can come together and make the kind of conservation decisions together, and create some force to prevent anyone from defecting and catching everything in a down year. This gives them more stability year to year and a little bit of possible price fixing. Just don't call it a union.

InitialLastName 4y ago
> Just don't call it a union. Of course not. The more accurate word is "cartel" (note: I see management of a shared resource as a perfectly legitimate justification for cartel behavior).
mulmen 4y ago
Why is a private organization managing a public resource? Shouldn’t a government agency do that?
ipaddr 4y ago
How do they stop rogue operators?
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Since it's literally a good old boy network, probably with threats and violence or maybe they have legal backing? I don't know the legal details, I just know they set the rules and they voluntarily reduce fishing seasons to keep stock at healthy levels.

myshpa 4y ago

>> 196,000 adult fish were expected to return > If your business depends on this fishing season It seems that there's more people than fish. Draughts, overfishing, pollution ... not much perspective in that. If I may ... plant based has a future, fishing ... not so sure.

swatcoder 4y ago

If I set up shop as a Blackberry developer and RIM goes out of business, I have a tough year as I regroup and figure out next steps for myself. Every business has dependencies outside of its control, and yeah, sometimes you may have to go bartend for a bit. It sucks, but business never comes with total guarantees. Planning for this stuff can help.

Teever 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery#Impact_on_Newfoundland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...

twblalock 4y ago

Catch different kinds of fish.