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There. Are. Other. SoCs.

by joezydeco 4y ago

fiveg 4y ago
Which one(s) would you suggest for little DIY things like home automation, print servers, etc?
- joezydeco 4y ago
  If you want a true SoC because it's tiny and cute? Try a TI Sitara (BeagleBone, etc). The new BeaglePlay is really nice for $98. If you need a home automation/print server? Get a $40 used Xeon workstation on eBay.
  - elaus 4y ago
    I don't know much about RPI alternatives, but those seem to either cost a lot more (BeaglePlay) or they seem to be much larger and with worse power consumption (used Xeon workstation)?
    - joezydeco 4y ago
      Then you're stuck. If you want to wait for the cheap subsidized part then it might be a while. Maybe forever in the case of the original Broadcom SoC. Beaglebone Black is ~$50 if price is really the problem. What's your objective here?
- while_true_ 4y ago
  ESP32-S3-DevKitC-1 v1.1 is excellent. It's got multipurpose GPIO pins that can be used for input, output, ADC, touchscreen, etc., and it's got wi-fi and BLE. Easily programmed with the Arduino IDE. It's an MCU, not a single board computer. If you really need a Linux environment then Orange Pi has a lot of SBC models available. For those I use Armbian, which is optimized for SBC use.
growse 4y ago
How many of them run mainline Linux?
- joezydeco 4y ago
  FSL/NXP is on 6.1.4 and TI is on 6.3-rc2. ST seems harder to find, they look like they're merging 6.3. Is that close enough?
  - growse 4y ago
    I think so, thanks. Last time a looked (which was a long time ago), most other SoC's led you down hyper-version-specific patchy nonsense to Linux to run on them. Good to see the field is improving :)
    - joezydeco 4y ago
      Getting mainline on their Yocto recipes is tough, those tend to lag way behind. But anything is possible if you bang your head against those recipes hard enough.
TMWNN 4y ago
There are other SoCs, but none has anything like the vast, vast, vast ecosystem of tutorials, videos, packages, and accessories that Pi has developed over the past decade.
- joezydeco 4y ago
  ...everything except real technical documentation on the part, which Broadcom won't give you. Oh yeah, and you can't actually buy the part alone. So you're stuck buying their board to stick in your project. At the end of day, it's embedded Linux. All those wonderful tutorials and source repos can and will work on many other parts. There's nothing magical about the RPi core, and seriously really nothing magical about the hardware. Once you boot off of eMMC you'll never want to go back.
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
I believe most of people would be just fine with NUC.
while_true_ 4y ago
My uninformed impression is that while Raspberry Pi's have all but disappeared from the marketplace, Orange Pi has grown with more models and availability.

There. Are. Other. SoCs.

fiveg 4y ago

Which one(s) would you suggest for little DIY things like home automation, print servers, etc?

joezydeco 4y ago
If you want a true SoC because it's tiny and cute? Try a TI Sitara (BeagleBone, etc). The new BeaglePlay is really nice for $98. If you need a home automation/print server? Get a $40 used Xeon workstation on eBay.
- elaus 4y ago
  I don't know much about RPI alternatives, but those seem to either cost a lot more (BeaglePlay) or they seem to be much larger and with worse power consumption (used Xeon workstation)?
  - joezydeco 4y ago
    Then you're stuck. If you want to wait for the cheap subsidized part then it might be a while. Maybe forever in the case of the original Broadcom SoC. Beaglebone Black is ~$50 if price is really the problem. What's your objective here?
while_true_ 4y ago
ESP32-S3-DevKitC-1 v1.1 is excellent. It's got multipurpose GPIO pins that can be used for input, output, ADC, touchscreen, etc., and it's got wi-fi and BLE. Easily programmed with the Arduino IDE. It's an MCU, not a single board computer. If you really need a Linux environment then Orange Pi has a lot of SBC models available. For those I use Armbian, which is optimized for SBC use.

growse 4y ago

How many of them run mainline Linux?

joezydeco 4y ago
FSL/NXP is on 6.1.4 and TI is on 6.3-rc2. ST seems harder to find, they look like they're merging 6.3. Is that close enough?
- growse 4y ago
  I think so, thanks. Last time a looked (which was a long time ago), most other SoC's led you down hyper-version-specific patchy nonsense to Linux to run on them. Good to see the field is improving :)
  - joezydeco 4y ago
    Getting mainline on their Yocto recipes is tough, those tend to lag way behind. But anything is possible if you bang your head against those recipes hard enough.

TMWNN 4y ago

There are other SoCs, but none has anything like the vast, vast, vast ecosystem of tutorials, videos, packages, and accessories that Pi has developed over the past decade.

joezydeco 4y ago
...everything except real technical documentation on the part, which Broadcom won't give you. Oh yeah, and you can't actually buy the part alone. So you're stuck buying their board to stick in your project. At the end of day, it's embedded Linux. All those wonderful tutorials and source repos can and will work on many other parts. There's nothing magical about the RPi core, and seriously really nothing magical about the hardware. Once you boot off of eMMC you'll never want to go back.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

I believe most of people would be just fine with NUC.

while_true_ 4y ago

My uninformed impression is that while Raspberry Pi's have all but disappeared from the marketplace, Orange Pi has grown with more models and availability.