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> I don't think it's supposable to conclude that flynn effect is reversing Lol, it's reversing all across western Europe and has been since birth cohorts start
by krona 4y ago
> I don't think it's supposable to conclude that flynn effect is reversing
Lol, it's reversing all across western Europe and has been since birth cohorts starting around 1970. The Norwegian studies are the most cited AFAIK.
- impossiblefork 4y agoThe researchers behind one of the Norwegian studies have made some very weird arguments in public statements that aren't part of their research. They said that the drops in IQ are not explainable by immigration, but this is something that is only the case in their own study in Norway where the IQ drop was something like 1-1.2 points per decade, while the countries with big drops-- France and the UK have drops that are about 3.2-4.3 times higher.
- tgv 4y agoHere's an article about it, for those interested: https://www.sciencealert.com/iq-scores-falling-in-worrying-reversal-20th-century-intelligence-boom-flynn-effect-intelligence https://www.sciencealert.com/iq-scores-falling-in-worrying-r... They try to end the article with some feel-good hand-waiving, but so many things have changed since the mid 1970s, that it feels ridiculous to use lack of formal reasoning as an excuse. Since there's no data on it, nor on "fluid intelligence", there's no reason to assume later generations have more or less of either. If they do lack "crystallized intelligence", they did indeed become dumber.
- yeahsure22 4y agoYou will do well to remember the racist history of IW tests. Maybe we should be celebrating that scores are going down on what is essentially a racist test.
- tehjoker 4y agoThey even cite "The Bell Curve" a famously racist text in this article.
- hdhuegau6hfhd 4y agoBell curve a classic for a reason and even though I heard some complaints before, I don't recall complaints that disproved its core points. Would you care to elaborate on the famously racist parts ( and ideally what is racist about them ? )
- influx 4y agoCan you expand on this a bit? How exactly are they racist?
- DoctorOW 4y agoThere's a lot of analysis on this that is really easy to Google, so this is just the gist. Essentially, intelligence is an abstract and subjective quality. IQ correlates with what the big names in academia agreed were "smart people", back when such institutions were largely racially segregated. In particular a numeric/"empirical" standard was pushed for to give more credibility to eugenics.
- krona 4y agoIQ also correlates with many other other things such as reaction time and other real, measurable phenomena, so to say 'yeah but that's just like, your opinion' is nonsense.
- DoctorOW 4y agoAll things being equal IQ could have some value however, bearing in mind I'm simplifying here, not all things are equal. IQ is designed to quantify intelligence, not reaction time. Don't just go by the comments here, even mine. Look into the history of IQ tests, for what purpose they were designed, and what they really test for.
- michaelt 4y agoOne of the most oft-cited examples is of an intelligence test asking questions like "Dish is to place mat as teacup is to _____" where the correct answer is saucer - making the test biased in favour of people who use place mats and saucers at home.
- krona 4y agoThis is a bit of a strawman because IQ tests today rarely rely on language comprehension.