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Just cause the dollar amount is increasing doesn't mean it isn't being defunded. You have to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribu

Just cause the dollar amount is increasing doesn't mean it isn't being defunded. You have to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution.

0xy 4y ago
NHS spending has increased by over 6.5% yearly since 2010, with even more massive increases planned for 2024-25. Want a comparison? France's healthcare spending increased 0.3% yearly in the same timeframe. The UK is outpacing France's spending increases by 2,066%. The spending argument is made from political propaganda, not from fact.
- markdown 4y ago
  Tell that to the nurses who have to work ungodly hours to keep the system going.
- petre 4y ago
  France is still in the EU and has lots of former colonies to extract healthcare workers from. Their cultural diplomacy is one of the best compared to any former European colonialistic power.
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- geysersam 4y ago
  > increased by over 6.5% yearly since 2010 Could you provide a source for that? Such an increase would imply a doubling of the budget over that time period. I can't find anything that suggests the NHS budget has doubled since 2010. From what I can gather, the NHS spending adjusted for inflation increased modestly over the time period. Taking into account the fact that costs in the healthcare sector have increased more than CPI globally, that increase could well correspond to a decrease in purchasing power. That doesn't yet take into account the UK specific issues around Brexit.
- growse 4y ago
  You can increase more than others and still be funded less than them. The EU on average still spends dramatically more per capita on health. The spending argument is nuanced and complex. Declaring that it's "not from fact" just reveals your partisan leanings. https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/how-does-uk-health-spending-compare-across-europe-over-the-past-decade https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infogr...
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    No it doesn't. When private healthcare is included the UK spends about the same.
nradov 4y ago
What are you saying exactly? How much should spending have increased to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution? Please give a specific number. Would that be a good use of limited resources?
- LaLaLand122 4y ago
  Not exactly what you ask for, but "the NHS budget has traditionally risen by an average of 4% above inflation each year." (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64190440 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64190440)
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    That's the rate which causes people to argue it's being "defunded".
  - nradov 4y ago
    Obviously NHS funding can't continue growing faster than inflation forever. That is unsustainable. At some point the NHS would consume the entire government budget.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
      And also, the population distribution can't continue skewing older indefinitely, that's unsustainable. At some point geriatrics would make up the entire population. And yet, both of these trends can continue for quite some time, and one trend can outweigh the other for quite some time.
taylorius 4y ago
"...and population age distribution." Ay, there's the rub.
refurb 4y ago
You’d be changing the definition of “defunded” then. It means “less money”.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  then the term should be "underfunded".

Just cause the dollar amount is increasing doesn't mean it isn't being defunded. You have to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution.

0xy 4y ago

NHS spending has increased by over 6.5% yearly since 2010, with even more massive increases planned for 2024-25. Want a comparison? France's healthcare spending increased 0.3% yearly in the same timeframe. The UK is outpacing France's spending increases by 2,066%. The spending argument is made from political propaganda, not from fact.

markdown 4y ago
Tell that to the nurses who have to work ungodly hours to keep the system going.
petre 4y ago
France is still in the EU and has lots of former colonies to extract healthcare workers from. Their cultural diplomacy is one of the best compared to any former European colonialistic power.
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geysersam 4y ago
> increased by over 6.5% yearly since 2010 Could you provide a source for that? Such an increase would imply a doubling of the budget over that time period. I can't find anything that suggests the NHS budget has doubled since 2010. From what I can gather, the NHS spending adjusted for inflation increased modestly over the time period. Taking into account the fact that costs in the healthcare sector have increased more than CPI globally, that increase could well correspond to a decrease in purchasing power. That doesn't yet take into account the UK specific issues around Brexit.
growse 4y ago
You can increase more than others and still be funded less than them. The EU on average still spends dramatically more per capita on health. The spending argument is nuanced and complex. Declaring that it's "not from fact" just reveals your partisan leanings. https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/how-does-uk-health-spending-compare-across-europe-over-the-past-decade https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infogr...
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  No it doesn't. When private healthcare is included the UK spends about the same.

nradov 4y ago

What are you saying exactly? How much should spending have increased to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution? Please give a specific number. Would that be a good use of limited resources?

LaLaLand122 4y ago
Not exactly what you ask for, but "the NHS budget has traditionally risen by an average of 4% above inflation each year." (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64190440 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64190440)
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  That's the rate which causes people to argue it's being "defunded".
- nradov 4y ago
  Obviously NHS funding can't continue growing faster than inflation forever. That is unsustainable. At some point the NHS would consume the entire government budget.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
    And also, the population distribution can't continue skewing older indefinitely, that's unsustainable. At some point geriatrics would make up the entire population. And yet, both of these trends can continue for quite some time, and one trend can outweigh the other for quite some time.

taylorius 4y ago

"...and population age distribution." Ay, there's the rub.

refurb 4y ago

You’d be changing the definition of “defunded” then. It means “less money”.

Tagbert 4y ago
then the term should be "underfunded".