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Ubuntu Flatpak Remix

19 points by mastazi 4y ago

tssva 4y ago
For me arguing over flatpak vs snap is like arguing whether ketchup or mustard is the best condiment for a sh*t sandwich.
- tapoxi 4y ago
  Flatpak is pretty great if you want to containerize things you install or are using an immutable system. The Steam Deck supports Flatpak and it's how most people install things outside of Steam.
  - tssva 4y ago
    My experience with flatpaks has been awful. Just about every app I have ever installed via flatpak has been broken in some manner because of the containerization. Some of them I was bothered to work around using flatseal but mostly I just uninstall them and use the slightly older but actually fully working version available via my distro package manager.
thebamby 4y ago
I think it'd be great to include just a couple reasons or tradeoffs for using flatpacks instead of snap. I know I prefer the tech not to be completely owned by Canonical for example.
bmacho 4y ago
Does anyone have a script to remove snap? I paste it, maybe it asks me some questions (do I want to do this or that), and it's done? Installing Ubuntu and setting it up to be usable is a larger and larger pain in the neck.
- popey 4y ago
  I made a thing called "unsnap" which removes snaps, and can optionally install the flatpak equivalents. https://github.com/popey/unsnap https://github.com/popey/unsnap
- mfinelli 4y ago
  it's not interactive, it just does, but it works for me on ubuntu 22.04: https://github.com/mfinelli/arch-install/blob/master/ubuntu/snapd.bash https://github.com/mfinelli/arch-install/blob/master/ubuntu/...
sirwhinesalot 4y ago
They really go out of their way to say that snaps are perfectly fine and all and that this is just because they prefer flatpak. No need to be kind people, snaps are absolutely terrible compared to flatpaks when it comes to desktop applications, nobody likes snaps.
- sockaddr 4y ago
  Yup. As a developer who maintains a snap, I hate snaps. Worst packaging obstacle course I’ve ever had to participate in.
3np 4y ago
I miss this question in the FAQ: > Does the default installation come without snapd? Which packages are removed compared to a Ubuntu Desktop installation?
hendersoon 4y ago
So there's an entire separate distribution now just to run "apt install flatpak"? I agree the packaging war is silly, it seems pretty clear flatpak is going to win, and snap has lots of problems, etc. I sympathize-- I just can't imagine any scenario where enough people choose to use this distro for it to be reasonably recommendable.

19 points by mastazi 4y ago

For me arguing over flatpak vs snap is like arguing whether ketchup or mustard is the best condiment for a sh*t sandwich.

tapoxi 4y ago
Flatpak is pretty great if you want to containerize things you install or are using an immutable system. The Steam Deck supports Flatpak and it's how most people install things outside of Steam.
- tssva 4y ago
  My experience with flatpaks has been awful. Just about every app I have ever installed via flatpak has been broken in some manner because of the containerization. Some of them I was bothered to work around using flatseal but mostly I just uninstall them and use the slightly older but actually fully working version available via my distro package manager.

thebamby 4y ago

I think it'd be great to include just a couple reasons or tradeoffs for using flatpacks instead of snap. I know I prefer the tech not to be completely owned by Canonical for example.

bmacho 4y ago

Does anyone have a script to remove snap? I paste it, maybe it asks me some questions (do I want to do this or that), and it's done? Installing Ubuntu and setting it up to be usable is a larger and larger pain in the neck.

popey 4y ago
I made a thing called "unsnap" which removes snaps, and can optionally install the flatpak equivalents. https://github.com/popey/unsnap https://github.com/popey/unsnap
mfinelli 4y ago
it's not interactive, it just does, but it works for me on ubuntu 22.04: https://github.com/mfinelli/arch-install/blob/master/ubuntu/snapd.bash https://github.com/mfinelli/arch-install/blob/master/ubuntu/...

sirwhinesalot 4y ago

They really go out of their way to say that snaps are perfectly fine and all and that this is just because they prefer flatpak. No need to be kind people, snaps are absolutely terrible compared to flatpaks when it comes to desktop applications, nobody likes snaps.

sockaddr 4y ago
Yup. As a developer who maintains a snap, I hate snaps. Worst packaging obstacle course I’ve ever had to participate in.

3np 4y ago

I miss this question in the FAQ: > Does the default installation come without snapd? Which packages are removed compared to a Ubuntu Desktop installation?

hendersoon 4y ago

So there's an entire separate distribution now just to run "apt install flatpak"? I agree the packaging war is silly, it seems pretty clear flatpak is going to win, and snap has lots of problems, etc. I sympathize-- I just can't imagine any scenario where enough people choose to use this distro for it to be reasonably recommendable.